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    • Modern Horsepower (MHP) will no longer be accepted as a vendor on this network

      We are sorry it has come to this but we can no longer have Modern Horsepower (MHP) advertising on this network. Andrew Cluck simply has abused the goodwill here and worn out his welcome (again). As many of you suspected, Andy was using multiple accounts to bash the competition hoping to prop up MHP in this manner. Yes, the user Jbond was Andy and the staff bit their lips as much as humanly possible even though that is not part of the vendor agreement. We simply do not condone attacking Renntech while hiding behind multiple accounts and this is why the thread was not moderated to protect MHP. Andy created that situation and we were not going to allow him to have vendor privileges in a thread the he did not have the courage to make from his vendor name.

      MHP has also been attacking OE Tuning by using a member on another site to post simply false information. Many bought into it unfortunately but amateur mistakes were made as the byte sequence which was read out shows it is an impossibility for the screen shot shown to be from the OE Tuning flash as it was from a completely different model year car. An open and shut case, but once again, the idea was to discredit the competition for the benefit of someone else.

      We want professional companies. We want the best the Mercedes scene has to offer. We want the Weistecs and Renntechs of the world. We want companies who make their name through the quality of their products and customer service, not by using forums to deceive people and then complaining when the forum staff does not assist in the propaganda campaign. MHP offers a quality tuning option because the source of the tune they are essentially reselling is from a quality tuner. This is where the major markup comes from and why in our opinion MHP tunes are difficult to sell due to their pricing so that the middle man can get his cut. There are many other options which cut this middle man out and those options are advertised and available here.

      We thank MHP for their support but we definitely do resent MHP continually forcing the staff to bend rules, delete posts, cover up duplicate accounts, and edit threads to satisfy some ridiculous negative crusade. The straw that broke the camel's back was really when MHP attempted to force BenzBoose to edit the Renntech vs. MHP header thread multiple times. We had no desire to bash Renntech but simply provide the proper, real information. That means more to us than vendor fees. The proof is that MHP is gone, good riddance.

      This article was originally published in forum thread: Modern Horsepower (MHP) will no longer be accepted as a vendor on this netowrk started by Sticky View original post
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      1. _AMG_'s Avatar
        _AMG_ -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by LZH Click here to enlarge
        Thanks, must have missed that...
        No problem sir.
      1. LZH's Avatar
        LZH -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by DD GT3 RD Click here to enlarge
        I can recall a few times he admitted the tune was done thru tectec
        Ok so the in house tune comment was incorrect - my bad. Maybe he will come here and set the record straight.
      1. DBFIU's Avatar
        DBFIU -
        We do not condone any oligarchy of any type on this forum. Vendors will not control the forum, the members will. This isnt e90post. All vendors are welcome, but even paying vendors must follow some basic rules.
      1. Itsbrokeagain's Avatar
        Itsbrokeagain -
        Wow crazy. Then again I havent been really following along all that much so maybe it was coming to him.

        So what did happen with that 63 that Jeremy apparently boogered up the DME? is that what this was all about?
      1. Sticky's Avatar
        Sticky -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Matt@Camber-Toe Click here to enlarge
        So what did happen with that 63 that Jeremy apparently boogered up the DME? is that what this was all about?
        That is just a point on the timeline where things started going very downhill.
      1. Yomama69's Avatar
        Yomama69 -
        I'm only posting one last time about this and I'm going to explain why. Some will not like it. Some will not understand it, but it is what it is.

        When Bimmerboost.com was started in November 2009, we were all bunch of banned users on another forum, banned for being truthful. Administrators did not appreciate the honesty we were trying to convey on the forum. That being said, we decided that this forum was going to be a place for truths that were not going to be concealed by Administrators. In order to push our agenda and bring owners to the site, we all created additional user names to make contact. I honestly believe Andy felt that he was doing the right thing by attempting to convey truth (the same way we have) even if he went about it the wrong way.

        Sticky, you admitted that MHP has done a lot for this forum. Creating this thread and allowing people to bash MHP without allowing MHP the ability to respond, is very much counterintuitive. Vendors have always been able to respond in other threads and that was concerning their products. This doesn't even have anything to do with products. This is really just ridiculous forum melodrama. I have never purchased or received any MHP product. I don't have any agenda. I just think everyone is acting a little crazy.

        Andy asked me to post something for him and I'm just doing it this once and I will not get involved further. As I said before, I don't think it's fair that a thread was created where users are allowed to make allegations about a vendor where the vendor cannot respond. I hope y'all understand and I'm not trying to overstep my bounds. I'm just trying to look at this rationally. Anyways, those are my thoughts and this is Andy's:


        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sticky Click here to enlarge
        Nope, not banned.
        Ironically as I went to post a rebuttal immediately after reading the entire BS filled first post (my God you are the King of Fabrication) I wasn't allowed to. As you can see it was our decision to leave the site, not Joseph's, I bcc'd a few people to ensure he couldn't lie about this too, check the times (which can be verified by other forum members): From: Modern Horsepower <sales modernhorsepower.com> To: administrator bimmerboost.com <mailto:administrator@bimmerboost.com> Date: October 12, 2011 at 6:07 PM Subject: Re: As Predicted Please do. Thanks On October 12, 2011 at 6:06 PM administrator bimmerboost.com <mailto:administrator@bimmerboost.com> wrote: > Well Andy, considering I called Jim, told him I was editing his thread, and > removed any links or negativity even in off topic I’m not sure how much more > respect you are looking for. > > I don’t know what else to do. If you do not wish to be involved, no problem, > I’ll remove al your banners/links and make the announcement. > > - Joseph > > From: Modern Horsepower > Sent: Wednesday, October 12, 2011 2:56 PM > To: administrator bimmerboost.com <mailto:administrator@bimmerboost.com> > Subject: Re: As Predicted > > Until you treat MHP with the same respect and backing you do RENNtech, > Weistec, OE, etc we will no longer advertise on your forums. There is a clear > difference as noted by over a dozen members/viewers (even those I don't know) > over the past few weeks/months. > > > > > It's literally embarrassing sponsoring a site and being treated as such. > > > > Good luck with the playpen. I'm not even sure where to begin reg all the other lies. Let's see, you can't buy a MHP proprietary LT Header, Ported Head or v4 Race Gas file anywhere but MHP. We do work closely with Techtec who are widely regarded as the BEST tuners in the world even by our competitors. You will soon see this relationship strengthen and grow further. All info Sgt. Stanko posted regarding his OE tuned ECU was fact and we stand behind that in court or on a forum. As for the RENNtech Header post that Joe played both ways...Joe wanted the thread up more than anyone in order to force RENNtech to advertise, ie as a sponsor I can take care of things like this. All we wanted was a clean break from this forum, however it's clear that with Joe running the forums that will never happen. Just ask Drew about his switch from Gintani to ESS or any of the other bmw forum owners. At the end of the day we rank our successes based on our customers objective results and as such no words on a screen can take away what we've earned in the past and what we will continue to do. Hopefully this will be the Last post we make, if in fact this one goes through. Thanks Sorry I had to remove all "at" symbols so the email addys reflect that.
      1. Sticky's Avatar
        Sticky -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Yomama69 Click here to enlarge
        Sticky, you admitted that MHP has done a lot for this forum. Creating this thread and allowing people to bash MHP without allowing MHP the ability to respond, is very much counterintuitive.
        MHP has the ability to respond. As I told Andy yesterday when he was whining abut JRCARt's made up picture of him that he was complaining about that post received neg reps and was hidden. So Andy can't even complain correctly.

        Oh, and Andy now wants to chargeback Paypal for his vendor fees that he didn't even want to pay (and didn't) in the beginning of the year complaining about slow sales but that he recently decided to pay because he got jealous Weistec got the M156 section (and paid promptly, in full, and on time). I would gladly pay Andy money to just leave me alone and get lost. Maybe even send him to charm school.
      1. Sticky's Avatar
        Sticky -
        Andy can post whatever he wants. He isn't welcome and I'm not compromising my principles for his BS. This was coming for a while. If anyone needs confirmation, I already e-mailed Eurocharged days in advance about taking MHP's spot because Andy just became too difficult to work with.

        Jesus, this isn't a who dumped who thing. MHP isn't wanted, get lost, leave the board alone, period.
      1. Yomama69's Avatar
        Yomama69 -
        Holy $#@! dude, you're still awake?
      1. Sticky's Avatar
        Sticky -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Yomama69 Click here to enlarge
        Holy $#@! dude, you're still awake?
        I just got home.
      1. Yomama69's Avatar
        Yomama69 -
        I'm waiting for my flight to leave. Tired as $#@!.
      1. Sticky's Avatar
        Sticky -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Yomama69 Click here to enlarge
        I'm waiting for my flight to leave. Tired as $#@!.
        Well, enjoy. Heh, I'm usually up this late.
      1. JRCART's Avatar
        JRCART -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by LZH Click here to enlarge
        Ok so the in house tune comment was incorrect - my bad. Maybe he will come here and set the record straight.
        Doubtful, the way Andy operates once he is outed he disapears in shame. Now an Andy alter ego, that's. Always a possibility, I suspect that we will soon be introduced to a new low post count forum member that loves MHP, knows everything about MHP products and types/speaks exactly like Andy.....did I miss anything?


        ....I did miss something, the new alter ego will also have had a major problem with his C63 stemming from work performed by another tuner.
      1. FLYING X5's Avatar
        FLYING X5 -
        I dont really comment on vendors and/or tuners who bash each other, and MHP has nothing that I know of to do with BMW's (as I never even looked at them) but $#@! like this, bashing on another vendor/tuner made me question if OE tuning was up to par or not... Because of stupidity like this, I held off on a chance to get tuned by OE... And all to find out that some (if not all of this hate) was made up $#@!...

        Way to go MHP... Thanks a bunch... Now If I ever switch to a Benz, I'll make sure I avoid your company and it's lousy reputation...
      1. JRCART's Avatar
        JRCART -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by FLYING X5 Click here to enlarge
        I dont really comment on vendors and/or tuners who bash each other, and MHP has nothing that I know of to do with BMW's (as I never even looked at them) but $#@! like this, bashing on another vendor/tuner made me question if OE tuning was up to par or not... Because of stupidity like this, I held off on a chance to get tuned by OE... And all to find out that some (if not all of this hate) was made up $#@!...

        Way to go MHP... Thanks a bunch... Now If I ever switch to a Benz, I'll make sure I avoid your company and it's lousy reputation...
        Yep, $#@! always has a way of catching up to people and Andy's $#@! caught up with him. People have good memories and they will not forget these antics, I'm sure you're not the only person that feels this way about MHP now that this has come out. I suspect as word speads to other forums its going to get even worse.
      1. JRCART's Avatar
        JRCART -
        ...and for the record I had noting to do with creating that cartton pic of Andy, it was found on the web and given to me. I wish I was that creative, but I am not. If I did it I would take credit for it all day long.
      1. Sorena's Avatar
        Sorena -
        Shame we lost a vendor, a good one ( in older times Andy was helpful ). Good to see Eurocharge take MHP's place, Jake hasn't caused any drama as i recall and always been helpful.

        and please people don't fill this thread with drama and keep it civil.
      1. Kaiba's Avatar
        Kaiba -
        Is there any proofs of your accusations regarding the multiple accounts ?

        PS : I'm about to buy products from MHP and want to be sure...
      1. I am Jeff's Avatar
        I am Jeff -
        WOW...Very interesting turn of events here. I can see why there was such sensitivity and skeptism on my other posting. Excellent detective work there Joe!
      1. ecampbell's Avatar
        ecampbell -
        kaiba - a well intentioned suggestion research....