• Modern Horsepower (MHP) will no longer be accepted as a vendor on this network

      We are sorry it has come to this but we can no longer have Modern Horsepower (MHP) advertising on this network. Andrew Cluck simply has abused the goodwill here and worn out his welcome (again). As many of you suspected, Andy was using multiple accounts to bash the competition hoping to prop up MHP in this manner. Yes, the user Jbond was Andy and the staff bit their lips as much as humanly possible even though that is not part of the vendor agreement. We simply do not condone attacking Renntech while hiding behind multiple accounts and this is why the thread was not moderated to protect MHP. Andy created that situation and we were not going to allow him to have vendor privileges in a thread the he did not have the courage to make from his vendor name.

      MHP has also been attacking OE Tuning by using a member on another site to post simply false information. Many bought into it unfortunately but amateur mistakes were made as the byte sequence which was read out shows it is an impossibility for the screen shot shown to be from the OE Tuning flash as it was from a completely different model year car. An open and shut case, but once again, the idea was to discredit the competition for the benefit of someone else.

      We want professional companies. We want the best the Mercedes scene has to offer. We want the Weistecs and Renntechs of the world. We want companies who make their name through the quality of their products and customer service, not by using forums to deceive people and then complaining when the forum staff does not assist in the propaganda campaign. MHP offers a quality tuning option because the source of the tune they are essentially reselling is from a quality tuner. This is where the major markup comes from and why in our opinion MHP tunes are difficult to sell due to their pricing so that the middle man can get his cut. There are many other options which cut this middle man out and those options are advertised and available here.

      We thank MHP for their support but we definitely do resent MHP continually forcing the staff to bend rules, delete posts, cover up duplicate accounts, and edit threads to satisfy some ridiculous negative crusade. The straw that broke the camel's back was really when MHP attempted to force BenzBoose to edit the Renntech vs. MHP header thread multiple times. We had no desire to bash Renntech but simply provide the proper, real information. That means more to us than vendor fees. The proof is that MHP is gone, good riddance.

      This article was originally published in forum thread: Modern Horsepower (MHP) will no longer be accepted as a vendor on this netowrk started by Sticky View original post
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      1. JRCART's Avatar
        JRCART -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Kaiba Click here to enlarge
        Is there any proofs of your accusations regarding the multiple accounts ?

        PS : I'm about to buy products from MHP and want to be sure...
        ...Hence my prediction from about an hour ago, everyone meet Kaiba, Andy's latest alter ego.....as of 9:30 a.m. cst 11/13/2011 Kaiba had a post count of exactly 1

        ....soooo predictable, so original
      1. Yomama69's Avatar
        Yomama69 -
        Can we please stop this nonsense? Everyone throwing out unfounded accusations about people and $#@!. If this continues, I won't be posting here much longer.
      1. Yomama69's Avatar
        Yomama69 -
        That's fine, Jim or Rich. You can negative rep me all you want, but the fact of the matter is that you have no idea who that username belongs to and you just can't get over it. It's pathetic, immature, and very much negative for this community.
      1. Scourge82's Avatar
        Scourge82 -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Yomama69 Click here to enlarge
        Can we please stop this nonsense? Everyone throwing out unfounded accusations about people and $#@!. If this continues, I won't be posting here much longer.
        Rep'ed, there was no need for the neg rep.

        I tried staying out of this. MHP is no longer a vendor here and everyone should move on and leave all this negativity behind. If Andy or what ever account he make starts up again, just report it to Sticky and let him deal with it. Problem solved.
      1. LZH's Avatar
        LZH -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Yomama69 Click here to enlarge
        That's fine, Jim or Rich. You can negative rep me all you want, but the fact of the matter is that you have no idea who that username belongs to and you just can't get over it. It's pathetic, immature, and very much negative for this community.
        Dude, for someone as bright as you, I find it hard to believe that you continue to ignore the reason why we are even discussing this. What is "pathetic, immature and negative for the forum" are asholes who post under different user names. Hence the witch hunt that you've been b!tching about. And in this thread no less, we have a member whose FIRST POST is questioning Joe's claims AND says he was going to buy MHP products...Coincidental don't you think given the discussion here ??? And I'm surprised you don't see the legal implications of this person saying he was going to buy MHP products if Sticky were then to say something negative and this guy didn't buy from MHP....I know it's reaching, but just saying...that was pretty obvious bait from for a first time post...

        Or, would you rather just ignore the obvious and all have a group hug ? Jesus don't you realize that it's about protecting the forum, not your thin skin.
      1. Yomama69's Avatar
        Yomama69 -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by LZH Click here to enlarge
        Dude, for someone as bright as you, I find it hard to believe that you continue to ignore the reason why we are even discussing this. What is "pathetic, immature and negative for the forum" are asholes who post under different user names. Hence the witch hunt that you've been b!tching about. And in this thread no less, we have a member whose FIRST POST is questioning Joe's claims AND says he was going to buy MHP products...Coincidental don't you think given the discussion here ??? Or, would you rather just ignore the obvious and all have a group hug ? Jesus don't you realize that it's about protecting the forum, not your thin skin.
        Do you know how many new users this forum gets a day? Do you know how long MHP was a vendor here? It wasn't coincidental at all. Why the $#@! would Andy post asking for proof of accusations of multiple accounts when it is already out there? GET THE $#@! OVER IT.
      1. LZH's Avatar
        LZH -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Yomama69 Click here to enlarge
        Do you know how many new users this forum gets a day? Do you know how long MHP was a vendor here? It wasn't coincidental at all. Why the $#@! would Andy post asking for proof of accusations of multiple accounts when it is already out there? GET THE $#@! OVER IT.
        Sounds like you are the one who needs to get over it. Perhaps you SHOULD leave.
      1. JRCART's Avatar
        JRCART -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Yomama69 Click here to enlarge
        That's fine, Jim or Rich. You can negative rep me all you want, but the fact of the matter is that you have no idea who that username belongs to and you just can't get over it. It's pathetic, immature, and very much negative for this community.
        For the record I didn't neg rep you, I did however neg rap Kaiba as did 5 other people, maybe it was one of them.

        You're an attorney, I assume you maintain some level of intelligence, so you can honestly sit here and say to yourself and everybody else that Kaiba doesn't look a tab bit suspicious with his one and only post ever on this site? I know it doesn't matter who Kaiba is but it clearly shows a pattern that we have all seen here and on other boards for the past 2-3 years.
      1. Yomama69's Avatar
        Yomama69 -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by JRCART Click here to enlarge
        For the record I didn't neg rep you, I did however neg rap Kaiba as did 5 other people, maybe it was one of them.

        You're an attorney, I assume you maintain some level of intelligence, so you can honestly sit here and say to yourself and everybody else that Kaiba doesn't look a tab bit suspicious with his one and only post ever on this site? I know it doesn't matter who Kaiba is but it clearly shows a pattern that we have all seen here and on other boards for the past 2-3 years.
        Guess what attorney don't do....make unfounded accusations. Sometimes coincidence....is just coincidence. If you know for a fact, Kaiba is Andy, I will bite my tongue, but you don't...and every time a new user is going to ask a question about MHP, this is going to continue. When the accusations continue, this fiasco will not die. This forum needs to move past this, but a select few of y'all want to keep that dark cloud over the forum head.
      1. JRCART's Avatar
        JRCART -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by LZH Click here to enlarge
        Dude, for someone as bright as you, I find it hard to believe that you continue to ignore the reason why we are even discussing this. What is "pathetic, immature and negative for the forum" are asholes who post under different user names. Hence the witch hunt that you've been b!tching about. And in this thread no less, we have a member whose FIRST POST is questioning Joe's claims AND says he was going to buy MHP products...Coincidental don't you think given the discussion here ??? And I'm surprised you don't see the legal implications of this person saying he was going to buy MHP products if Sticky were then to say something negative and this guy didn't buy from MHP....I know it's reaching, but just saying...that was pretty obvious bait from for a first time post...
        Not reaching at all, looked like bait to me as well.
      1. LZH's Avatar
        LZH -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Yomama69 Click here to enlarge
        Guess what attorney don't do....make unfounded accusations. Sometimes coincidence....is just coincidence. When the accusations continue, this fiasco will not die. This forum needs to move past this, but a select few of y'all want to keep that dark cloud over the forum head.
        And sometimes coincidence isn't coincidence at all but is an elaborate fabrication of the truth perpetrated by individual with an agenda. THAT IS WHY WE ARE HAVING THIS DISCUSSION!!!!!!! GET IT ??????? And please don't forget how this "dark cloud" appeared - It wasn't me or Jim who summoned the rain, but you can be damn sure we saw it coming way before you did. If you don't like the topic at hand, once again, perhaps you should leave.
        And for the record it was ME who neg repped you because you're acting like a little girl.
      1. Yomama69's Avatar
        Yomama69 -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by LZH Click here to enlarge
        And sometimes coincidence isn't coincidence at all but is an elaborate fabrication of the truth perpetrated by individual with an agenda. THAT IS WHY WE ARE HAVING THIS DISCUSSION!!!!!!! GET IT ??????? And please don't forget how this "dark cloud" appeared - It wasn't me or Jim who summoned the rain, but you can be damn sure we saw it coming way before you did. If you don't like the topic at hand, once again, perhaps you should leave.
        Just because something happened once, doesn't mean it will happen again, Nancy Drew. If that's what y'all intend on doing, I will be leaving. This forum is losing all the fun it used to have.

        I'm out of here for now anyway. Flight is taking off.
      1. LZH's Avatar
        LZH -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Yomama69 Click here to enlarge
        Just because something happened once, doesn't mean it will happen again, Nancy Drew. If that's what y'all intend on doing, I will be leaving. This forum is losing all the fun it used to have.

        I'm out of here for now anyway. Flight is taking off.
        "Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it."

        -George Santayana

        Did you really just quote NANCY DREW ????? You really are a little girl. Enjoy your flight and make sure to get a nice blanket and cuddle up to a good mystery novel LOL.






      1. JRCART's Avatar
        JRCART -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by LZH Click here to enlarge
        "Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it."

        -George Santayana

        Did you really just quote NANCY DREW ????? You really are a little girl. Enjoy your flight and make sure to get a nice blanket and cuddle up to a good mystery novel LOL.





        If there is ever a Hall Of Fame for automotive forum post's this post would be a nominee...LMAO Nacy Drew
      1. JRCART's Avatar
        JRCART -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Yomama69 Click here to enlarge
        Guess what attorney don't do....make unfounded accusations. Sometimes coincidence....is just coincidence. If you know for a fact, Kaiba is Andy, I will bite my tongue, but you don't...and every time a new user is going to ask a question about MHP, this is going to continue. When the accusations continue, this fiasco will not die. This forum needs to move past this, but a select few of y'all want to keep that dark cloud over the forum head.
        Please go back and read my post #54 in this thread...I called out a low count alter ego just 5 posts before it actually happened...that's not coincedence that's called predicting based on past facts and patterns. Just how did I know that we would be seeing a new low post member popping up in this thread coming to the rescue of MHP? ...I guess I'm just that good. Maybe all this luck of mine will win me lots of money in Vegas next week LOL
      1. AMG4V's Avatar
        AMG4V -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by DD GT3 RD Click here to enlarge
        but they still have the fastest C63's NA which says something about their products
        I think most people here know to what level this record car is modified.
        MHP got really lucky to find a guy like DAD who is willing to "sacrifice" his C63 to completely gut, remove a lot of weight including carbon roof and everything in the book of dragracing put into it (and some).
      1. JRCART's Avatar
        JRCART -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by AMG4V Click here to enlarge
        I think most people here know to what level this record car is modified.
        MHP got really lucky to find a guy like DAD who is willing to "sacrifice" his C63 to completely gut, remove a lot of weight including carbon roof and everything in the book of dragracing put into it (and some).
        Lucky or not MHP has their name attached to that record and as much as it pains me to do so I have to respect that. As for the level of mods on Keith/Dads63 that is irrelevant. It's an MB chassis/body with a MB motor in it, the car ran the time PERIOD! There are records kept for both stock and modded benzes, we can't start breaking down how modded a car is or is not, that's just foolish. Keith's car is currently king of the hill and nobody should try to take that away from him regardless of who the tuner is or the level of mods.
      1. BAD430BENZ's Avatar
        BAD430BENZ -
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        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by AMG4V Click here to enlarge
        I think most people here know to what level this record car is modified.
        MHP got really lucky to find a guy like DAD who is willing to "sacrifice" his C63 to completely gut, remove a lot of weight including carbon roof and everything in the book of dragracing put into it (and some).
        but isn't that Keith's decision to gut his car and turn it into what it is today ? i don't think Andy or anyone else at MHP put a gun to his head . if that's the idea you have in your head , then Weistec shouldn't be given credit for helping out with JRCART's car or that JSP??? ( that other Jim ) for his wild C63 cuz they have done a lot to their cars also ? i think everyone deserves all the credit in the world for all their accomplishments . i appreciate all the people that push the envelope cuz it keeps my eyes open for my next project .
      1. JRCART's Avatar
        JRCART -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by BAD430BENZ Click here to enlarge
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        but isn't that Keith's decision to gut his car and turn it into what it is today ? i don't think Andy or anyone else at MHP put a gun to his head . if that's the idea you have in your head , then Weistec shouldn't be given credit for helping out with JRCART's car or that JSP??? ( that other Jim ) for his wild C63 cuz they have done a lot to their cars also ? i think everyone deserves all the credit in the world for all their accomplishments . i appreciate all the people that push the envelope cuz it keeps my eyes open for my next project .
        I agree 100%. That being said I would not agree with a tuner using my name, screename or vehicle as a marketing tool without my permission or unless there was some kind of sponsorship deal in place or discounted/free work. Weistec has full permission to use my name, screename and vehicle in it's posts and marketing materials becuase we have a good working relationship and an agreement. They have done lots of free of charge R&D work on my car whcih has benefitted all parties involved including future Weistec customers. I don't know what kind of agreements were made between MHP and their customers whose names appear on their brag list so I can not comment any further excpet by saying if Keith and Mike are OK with it then none of the rest of us such care.
      1. DD GT3 RD's Avatar
        DD GT3 RD -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by AMG4V Click here to enlarge
        I think most people here know to what level this record car is modified.
        MHP got really lucky to find a guy like DAD who is willing to "sacrifice" his C63 to completely gut, remove a lot of weight including carbon roof and everything in the book of dragracing put into it (and some).
        and Dodger...think they have some others that do well