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    • Modern Horsepower (MHP) will no longer be accepted as a vendor on this network

      We are sorry it has come to this but we can no longer have Modern Horsepower (MHP) advertising on this network. Andrew Cluck simply has abused the goodwill here and worn out his welcome (again). As many of you suspected, Andy was using multiple accounts to bash the competition hoping to prop up MHP in this manner. Yes, the user Jbond was Andy and the staff bit their lips as much as humanly possible even though that is not part of the vendor agreement. We simply do not condone attacking Renntech while hiding behind multiple accounts and this is why the thread was not moderated to protect MHP. Andy created that situation and we were not going to allow him to have vendor privileges in a thread the he did not have the courage to make from his vendor name.

      MHP has also been attacking OE Tuning by using a member on another site to post simply false information. Many bought into it unfortunately but amateur mistakes were made as the byte sequence which was read out shows it is an impossibility for the screen shot shown to be from the OE Tuning flash as it was from a completely different model year car. An open and shut case, but once again, the idea was to discredit the competition for the benefit of someone else.

      We want professional companies. We want the best the Mercedes scene has to offer. We want the Weistecs and Renntechs of the world. We want companies who make their name through the quality of their products and customer service, not by using forums to deceive people and then complaining when the forum staff does not assist in the propaganda campaign. MHP offers a quality tuning option because the source of the tune they are essentially reselling is from a quality tuner. This is where the major markup comes from and why in our opinion MHP tunes are difficult to sell due to their pricing so that the middle man can get his cut. There are many other options which cut this middle man out and those options are advertised and available here.

      We thank MHP for their support but we definitely do resent MHP continually forcing the staff to bend rules, delete posts, cover up duplicate accounts, and edit threads to satisfy some ridiculous negative crusade. The straw that broke the camel's back was really when MHP attempted to force BenzBoose to edit the Renntech vs. MHP header thread multiple times. We had no desire to bash Renntech but simply provide the proper, real information. That means more to us than vendor fees. The proof is that MHP is gone, good riddance.


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      1. AMG4V's Avatar
        AMG4V -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by JRCART Click here to enlarge
        Lucky or not MHP has their name attached to that record and as much as it pains me to do so I have to respect that. As for the level of mods on Keith/Dads63 that is irrelevant. It's an MB chassis/body with a MB motor in it, the car ran the time PERIOD! There are records kept for both stock and modded benzes, we can't start breaking down how modded a car is or is not, that's just foolish. Keith's car is currently king of the hill and nobody should try to take that away from him regardless of who the tuner is or the level of mods.
        I am not trying to take ANYTHING away from DAD, and good for him to do all that, he is now the king of the hill for the C63's. And I am certain he did it all without a gun to his head. I guess what I am trying to say is that if another decent tuner would get a hold on a similar customer could propably accomplish the same? Of course I could be totally wrong and Andy/MHP is THE magical tuner for all others to aspire. However, then he shouldn't have run out of talent on tuning around his own magical camshafts.
      1. Exeenom's Avatar
        Exeenom -
        Andy wanted me to post that the reason he has not been able to respond to this thread was because the system was not letting him, even as a guest vendor, to post anything. I guess him and Joe will try to figure out what the problem is....
      1. JonsC63AMG's Avatar
        JonsC63AMG -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by DD GT3 RD Click here to enlarge
        but they still have the fastest C63's NA which says something about their products
        Also the most expensive. $2000+ for a tune on a C63!? $#@!ing ripoff!Click here to enlarge
      1. Sorena's Avatar
        Sorena -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by LZH Click here to enlarge
        If you don't like the topic at hand, once again, perhaps you should leave.
        And for the record it was ME who neg repped you because you're acting like a little girl.
        Hey, act nice. i don't know what do you think of this place and the people, but it's all way different than what you think. I don't let a newbie like you treat a good member like Yomama. This is my last comment on your behavior.
      1. Dodger63's Avatar
        Dodger63 -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by JonsC63AMG Click here to enlarge
        Also the most expensive. $2000+ for a tune on a C63!? $#@!ing ripoff!Click here to enlarge
        Rather not get involved in any of this but Jon that's the one post in this whole thread that I no isnt true, there are many tunes out there that are much more expensive.
      1. oldgixxer's Avatar
        oldgixxer -
        So is this the "Official Bash Andy Thread"?
        Everybody comin out the woodwork to say a few things....
        Just let it die already
      1. Sticky's Avatar
        Sticky -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by FLYING X5 Click here to enlarge
        I dont really comment on vendors and/or tuners who bash each other, and MHP has nothing that I know of to do with BMW's (as I never even looked at them) but $#@! like this, bashing on another vendor/tuner made me question if OE tuning was up to par or not... Because of stupidity like this, I held off on a chance to get tuned by OE... And all to find out that some (if not all of this hate) was made up $#@!...

        Way to go MHP... Thanks a bunch... Now If I ever switch to a Benz, I'll make sure I avoid your company and it's lousy reputation...
        Sorry to hear that nonsense not only caused you to hold off on a tune but cost OE business, what a shame for everyone.
      1. JonsC63AMG's Avatar
        JonsC63AMG -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Dodger63 Click here to enlarge
        Rather not get involved in any of this but Jon that's the one post in this whole thread that I no isnt true, there are many tunes out there that are much more expensive.
        I meant one of the most expensive. Renntech is up there. But most are cheaper.
      1. Sticky's Avatar
        Sticky -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Kaiba Click here to enlarge
        Is there any proofs of your accusations regarding the multiple accounts ?

        PS : I'm about to buy products from MHP and want to be sure...
        How's this for proof? MHP LLC IP information:

        Attachment 10809
      1. Sticky's Avatar
        Sticky -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by JRCART Click here to enlarge
        ...Hence my prediction from about an hour ago, everyone meet Kaiba, Andy's latest alter ego.....as of 9:30 a.m. cst 11/13/2011 Kaiba had a post count of exactly 1

        ....soooo predictable, so original
        That account is not Andy, just someone browsing.
      1. Sticky's Avatar
        Sticky -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Yomama69 Click here to enlarge
        Can we please stop this nonsense? Everyone throwing out unfounded accusations about people and $#@!. If this continues, I won't be posting here much longer.
        We'll stick to the facts. Neel you are a great poster and this is a sensitive issue for everyone including you as well, I understand what you are saying. Cool heads will prevail.
      1. LZH's Avatar
        LZH -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sorena Click here to enlarge
        Hey, act nice. i don't know what do you think of this place and the people, but it's all way different than what you think.
        HUH ?? That WAS nice pal and if you had paid attention in this thread you would see EXACTLY "what I think of this place" as referenced in my post #11 where I offered to help Joe financially so this site can flourish. Have you done anything like that during the last year you have been a member ? Didn't think so.

        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sorena Click here to enlarge
        I don't let a newbie like you treat a good member like Yomama.
        I'm sorry, but you really have no control of what I do and don't do around here. I would have thought you might have figured that out and taken a hint since I haven't bothered responding to your PM's about my "behavior". And as far as being a "newbie"...You've been a member here for 11 months - five months longer than me which equates to less than 50% so you really don't have a leg to stand on there yet you have 4112 posts so all that tells me is you're a post whore who doesn't understand the concept of quality over quantity.

        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sorena Click here to enlarge
        This is my last comment on your behavior.
        Gee, thanks Click here to enlarge
      1. Sticky's Avatar
        Sticky -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by LZH Click here to enlarge
        HUH ?? That WAS nice pal and if you had paid attention in this thread you would see EXACTLY "what I think of this place" as referenced in my post #11 where I offered to help Joe financially so this site can flourish. Have you done anything like that during the last year you have been a member ? Didn't think so.

        I'm sorry, but you really have no control of what I do and don't do around here. I would have thought you might have figured that out and taken a hint since I haven't bothered responding to your PM's about my "behavior". And as far as being a "newbie"...You've been a member here for 11 months - five months longer than me which equates to less than 50% so you really don't have a leg to stand on there yet you have 4112 posts so all that tells me is you're a post whore who doesn't understand the concept of quality over quantity.

        Gee, thanks Click here to enlarge
        Luke, your offer is truly appreciated.

        I want you guys all to get along as you are all good members. I also don't want to see Yomama go as he has helped the site tremendously as well. Let's just move past this issue, MHP is gone, and we are all on the same team here.
      1. LZH's Avatar
        LZH -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sticky Click here to enlarge
        That account is not Andy, just someone browsing.
        Then I will be the first to admit I was wrong and it was simply coincidence.
        Yomamma - my apologies.
      1. LZH's Avatar
        LZH -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sticky Click here to enlarge
        Luke, your offer is truly appreciated.

        I want you guys all to get along as you are all good members. I also don't want to see Yomama go as he has helped the site tremendously as well. Let's just move past this issue, MHP is gone, and we are all on the same team here.
        Understood and will proceed accordingly.
        I think my post above shows my humility and willingness to "get along".
      1. I am Jeff's Avatar
        I am Jeff -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sticky Click here to enlarge
        How's this for proof? MHP LLC IP information:

        Attachment 10809
        Joe...I'm not quite following the attachment. The screenshot of the IP address show that Barfly and Jbond are using the same IP. I'm not seeing how that correlates to MHP. Can you elaborate?
      1. Sticky's Avatar
        Sticky -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by I am Jeff Click here to enlarge
        Joe...I'm not quite following the attachment. The screenshot of the IP address show that Barfly and Jbond are using the same IP. I'm not seeing how that correlates to MHP. Can you elaborate?
        Yes, I clicked on the MHP LLC IP information and it shows users in addition to that account that share that IP address. Here, I'll show you what I mean by clicking on you:

      1. Sticky's Avatar
        Sticky -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by I am Jeff Click here to enlarge
        Joe...I'm not quite following the attachment. The screenshot of the IP address show that Barfly and Jbond are using the same IP. I'm not seeing how that correlates to MHP. Can you elaborate?
        It would likely be more clear if the IP mod I was using for additional information and quick cross referencing all in one click showed the username on the info page.
      1. I am Jeff's Avatar
        I am Jeff -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sticky Click here to enlarge
        Yes, I clicked on the MHP LLC IP information and it shows users in addition to that account that share that IP address. Here, I'll show you what I mean by clicking on you:

        Oh....so that original screenshot was from the MHP LLC user name. I was expecting to see all user names that shared that IP on the list. Thanks for the clarification.
      1. Sticky's Avatar
        Sticky -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by I am Jeff Click here to enlarge
        Oh....so that original screenshot was from the MHP LLC user name. I was expecting to see all user names that shared that IP on the list. Thanks for the clarification.
        Yep, exactly. No problem.