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    • Evotech Stage 3 W212 M157 E63 AMG takes on a PP-Performance Stage 2 F10 M5 and walks it easily

      We are going to see a lot of these videos in the next few years as E63 and M5 owners tune their cars and fight to be kings of the highway. The M157 has been on the market a little longer and has an advantage in available parts. The E63 in the video here has a Evotech tune, no cats, full exhaust, and modified turbos. The M5 has PP-Performance tune, cat delete, and full exhaust. The E63 makes quick work of it which is no surprise if the turbos have been modified.




      This article was originally published in forum thread: Evotech Stage 3 W212 M157 E63 AMG takes on a PP-Performance Stage 2 F10 M5 and walks it easily started by Sticky View original post
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      1. Sticky's Avatar
        Sticky -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Jacob502 Click here to enlarge
        They have not even completed on modifying the Exhust of the F10 whatsoever.
        Anyone can get their exhaust modified by anyone.
      1. Jacob502's Avatar
        Jacob502 -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sticky Click here to enlarge
        Anyone can get their exhaust modified by anyone.
        Sure, but a check engine light would be thrown when you remove the cats and not tune for it. The video states that the m5 has no cats. Looool.


        When CEL is on the car loses powe. And actually you wouldnt be calling it Stage 2. Try stage -1
      1. Sticky's Avatar
        Sticky -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Jacob502 Click here to enlarge
        Sure, but a check engine light would be thrown when you remove the cats and not tune for it.
        So what?

        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Jacob502 Click here to enlarge
        When CEL is on the car loses powe
        Weird, I set the M3 1/4 mile record with my CEL on.
      1. Jacob502's Avatar
        Jacob502 -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sticky Click here to enlarge
        So what?



        Weird, I set the M3 1/4 mile record with my CEL on.


        Run it again without the check engine and you will beat your own record.


        Ask any tuner. A CEL will make you lose power
      1. Sticky's Avatar
        Sticky -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Jacob502 Click here to enlarge
        Run it again without the check engine and you will beat your own record.
        I did and I didn't. The CEL is just a light it didn't affect the power it was not limp mode.

        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Jacob502 Click here to enlarge
        Ask any tuner. A CEL will make you lose power
        Ya... I did. Jeremy at OE Tuning specifically told me not to worry about the CEL as it would have no affect and it didn't hence why I ran as quick/fast as I did. I also ran it at the track with and without the CEL on so I don't know what to tell you as my personal experience says otherwise.
      1. Jacob502's Avatar
        Jacob502 -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sticky Click here to enlarge
        I did and I didn't. The CEL is just a light it didn't affect the power it was not limp mode.



        Ya... I did. Jeremy at OE Tuning specifically told me not to worry about the CEL as it would have no affect and it didn't hence why I ran as quick/fast as I did. I also ran it at the track with and without the CEL on so I don't know what to tell you as my personal experience says otherwise.
        Ok, maybe your case is different.

        Regardless, that M5 isn't a stage2.
      1. Sticky's Avatar
        Sticky -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Jacob502 Click here to enlarge
        Ok, maybe your case is different.

        Regardless, that M5 isn't a stage2.
        I'm sure the M5 doesn't have a PP-P stage 2 tune but we can not rule out it not having cats/exhaust. More details would be great I would like to hear from the owners but who knows who they are.

        We will be getting more and more videos. This is just the beginning of the tuning for these motors.
      1. Jacob502's Avatar
        Jacob502 -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sticky Click here to enlarge
        I'm sure the M5 doesn't have a PP-P stage 2 tune but we can not rule out it not having cats/exhaust. More details would be great I would like to hear from the owners but who knows who they are.

        We will be getting more and more videos. This is just the beginning of the tuning for these motors.
        And it could possibly not have a PP-P tune at all!

        I will let you know
      1. flipm3's Avatar
        flipm3 -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sticky Click here to enlarge
        6 MT will hurt it...
        Very true. The only reason I suggest it is because I think it would be more fun to drive, haha.

        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Jacob502 Click here to enlarge
        Run it again without the check engine and you will beat your own record.


        Ask any tuner. A CEL will make you lose power
        Losing power is completely contingent upon what is causing the CEL, not necessarily the CEL itself. For instance, pulling a CEL for pre-cat O2 sensors or post-cat O2 sensors may potentially lead to completely different symptoms, despite both presenting with the same CEL.
      1. Jacob502's Avatar
        Jacob502 -
        As I expected.

        This M5 isn't a PP-Performance car. Jimmy Pelka confirmed this.

        Moreover, ths Evotech E63 stage 3 raced a PPP tuned biturbo CLS63 at the moscow unlim 500 (it was mentioned @ mbworld). I won't tell you what happened until you all see the video.


        I will post it for a good laugh


        That was very cheap to race an M5 and claiming it was a stage2 ppp tune, when they have not even released stage 2 for the M5 yet.
      1. Sticky's Avatar
        Sticky -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Jacob502 Click here to enlarge
        This M5 isn't a PP-Performance car. Jimmy Pelka confirmed this.
        If his car lost this is exactly what I would expect him to say.

        Who knows what it actually is just going by what was written in the video. Nobody is saying accept it as fact just enjoy the race.
      1. Sirex63's Avatar
        Sirex63 -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Jacob502 Click here to enlarge
        As I expected.
        This M5 isn't a PP-Performance car. Jimmy Pelka confirmed this.
        Moreover, ths Evotech E63 stage 3 raced a PPP tuned biturbo CLS63 at the moscow unlim 500 (it was mentioned @ mbworld). I won't tell you what happened until you all see the video.

        I will post it for a good laugh

        That was very cheap to race an M5 and claiming it was a stage2 ppp tune, when they have not even released stage 2 for the M5 yet.
        That car just got downpipes without anyone tune. Stage 2 for the new M5 isn't released yet wether PP or other vendors.
        Do not forget that PP was the first to tune the F10 M5 Click here to enlarge
      1. LZH's Avatar
        LZH -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sticky Click here to enlarge
        If his car lost this is exactly what I would expect him to say.

        Who knows what it actually is just going by what was written in the video. Nobody is saying accept it as fact just enjoy the race.
        Funny - these guys take EVERY SINGLE thing posted on YouTube to 100% true. But when a video is shown of a PP-Performance car being beaten it HAS to be fake. LOL!!!!
        The retardation never ends.
      1. Sirex63's Avatar
        Sirex63 -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by LZH Click here to enlarge
        Funny - these guys take EVERY SINGLE thing posted on YouTube to 100% true. But when a video is shown of a PP-Performance car being beaten it HAS to be fake. LOL!!!!
        The retardation never ends.

        That blue X5 that smoked the MHP C63 got smoked by an X6. The video will be released soon on dragtimesinfo and we wont say it's fake. I'm saying from now it's not fake Click here to enlarge
      1. LZH's Avatar
        LZH -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sirex63 Click here to enlarge
        That blue X5 that smoked the MHP C63 got smoked by an X6. The video will be released soon on dragtimesinfo and we wont say it's fake. I'm saying from now it's not fake Click here to enlarge
        Dude just shut up already.
      1. Sirex63's Avatar
        Sirex63 -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by LZH Click here to enlarge
        Dude just shut up already.
        why should I shut up, cause my reply makes you look that you're wrong ?
      1. LZH's Avatar
        LZH -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sirex63 Click here to enlarge
        why should I shut up, cause my reply makes you look that you're wrong ?
        No, because you are an idiot and you are referencing other cars that have no bearing on the video being discussed in this thread. This is an Evotech PPP thread and your hatred for MHP has no place here - so once again - STFU
      1. Sirex63's Avatar
        Sirex63 -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by LZH Click here to enlarge
        No, because you are an idiot and you are referencing other cars that have no bearing on the video being discussed in this thread. This is an Evotech PPP thread and your hatred for MHP has no place here - so once again - STFU
        Can you read english ? I've already stated that I have no haterd/love towards MHP. I just don't believe them. Even their customers/fanboys thinks that their packages claims are inflated lol.

        Why then did you reference my car in Jacob's thread about the C63 vs M3 ?

        Stop making yourself look like a fool.
      1. LZH's Avatar
        LZH -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sirex63 Click here to enlarge
        Can you read english ? I've already stated that I have no haterd/love towards MHP. I just don't believe them. Even their customers/fanboys thinks that their packages claims are inflated lol.

        Why then did you reference my car in Jacob's thread about the C63 vs M3 ?

        Stop making yourself look like a fool.
        Every other post you make has some MHP hatred in it. Give it a rest.
        I mentioned your car in the other thread because you guys were taking about how fast they are. You brought them into the discussion not me. Why don't you leave that thread over there where it belongs and not here - stick to the topic.
      1. Sirex63's Avatar
        Sirex63 -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by LZH Click here to enlarge
        Every other post you make has some MHP hatred in it. Give it a rest.
        I mentioned your car in the other thread because you guys were taking about how fast they are. You brought them into the discussion not me. Why don't you leave that thread over there where it belongs and not here - stick to the topic.
        That's weird, We haven't talked about how our cars are fast until you first referenced my car and dodgers in page 3 post #58 and you brought my car into discussion. So who should stick to topics ?

        See ? I've told you already to stop making yourself look like a fool yet you're happy showing it.