• Cadillac CTS-V with an intake versus a Eurocharged tuned W204 C63 AMG from a roll

      In stock from the Cadillac CTS-V with its supercharged 6.2 liter LSA V8 is stronger than the standard C63 AMG (one without the P31 package). The difference on a dynojet is about ~100 wheel horsepower. The C63 is slightly lighter but is significantly detuned in stock form to protect the egos of the owners of the other 63 AMG models. With a tune however the C63 wakes up considerably as the video shows with the two cars basically neck and neck.


      The C63 even with a tune still has less power than the CTS-V but the Eurocharged tune makes the cars quite even. The CTS-V has a passenger and a intake. The C63 is running just a tune. Impressive how the C63 keeps up with more powerful competition even though it does not have a supercharger like the CTS does.

      This article was originally published in forum thread: CTS V versus C63 started by Sledgehammer View original post
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      1. ultimateendz's Avatar
        ultimateendz -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sonny Click here to enlarge
        I would say that hp estimate is too conservative. I would estimate the C63 with tune to be at 425 whp. The V with air intake to be at 480 whp. This is assuming both cars on a DJ. Plus, depending on the DA the day of the race, the higher the DA, the more difficult for the NA car to generate full power vs the F/I car.

        im just going off what he says....the c63 is his buddies so i see no reason for him to lie
      1. Sonny's Avatar
        Sonny -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by ultimateendz Click here to enlarge
        im just going off what he says....the c63 is his buddies so i see no reason for him to lie
        No one is lying. But, you know that V's with intake can add 30 whp to an already healthy 450 whp stock baseline. Tuned C63's make 425 whp on average. They can make maybe 435 whp with excellent gas and excellent weather/DA. But, again, that's the thing about NA cars, if the weather is not optimal, then the C63 naturally will not make it's highest hp potential. The V will more easily make it's full potential with less effect from weather and DA than the NA C63. We're not debating huge hp numbers here. But, the weight was too extreme. And the mention of possibly only 30 whp difference favors the V too much. And it's not accurate. But, it's not a lie.. I don't think anyone cares enough about this issue to lie. Just, some people are not fully informed.
      1. Sticky's Avatar
        Sticky -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sonny Click here to enlarge
        And assuming a 200 lbs driver in the C63 with a 1/4 tank of gas, the C63 weighed 4150 lbs. No big deal, but definitely not close to 700 lbs difference.
        Exactly, the C63 isn't some lightweight.
      1. Sonny's Avatar
        Sonny -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sticky Click here to enlarge
        Exactly, the C63 isn't some lightweight.
        Mine is. Click here to enlarge jk
      1. ultimateendz's Avatar
        ultimateendz -
        yup...and mine is stock Click here to enlarge
      1. ultimateendz's Avatar
        ultimateendz -
        i know the c63s are fast and im well aware of the capabilities of the V....heres how i see it...

        c63 no passenger prob 4100lbs 425whp
        V with passenger prob 4600lbs 480whp (my V with me in it is 4475)

        so lets say 60-70whp disaprity the outcome in the vid makes perfect sense

        especially when it takes me over 100whp to be able to beat a car that weighs 1000lbs less than me
      1. Sticky's Avatar
        Sticky -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by ultimateendz Click here to enlarge
        i know the c63s are fast and im well aware of the capabilities of the V....heres how i see it...

        c63 no passenger prob 4100lbs 425whp
        V with passenger prob 4600lbs 480whp (my V with me in it is 4475)

        so lets say 60-70whp disaprity the outcome in the vid makes perfect sense

        especially when it takes me over 100whp to be able to beat a car that weighs 1000lbs less than me
        Nobody has any problem with the outcome in the vid.
      1. ultimateendz's Avatar
        ultimateendz -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sticky Click here to enlarge
        Nobody has any problem with the outcome in the vid.

        so then we are done here
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        Sticky -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by ultimateendz Click here to enlarge
        so then we are done here
        Or just beginning.
      1. ultimateendz's Avatar
        ultimateendz -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sticky Click here to enlarge
        Or just beginning.
        im done here....you can carry on
      1. Sonny's Avatar
        Sonny -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by ultimateendz Click here to enlarge
        i know the c63s are fast and im well aware of the capabilities of the V....heres how i see it...

        c63 no passenger prob 4100lbs 425whp
        V with passenger prob 4600lbs 480whp (my V with me in it is 4475)

        so lets say 60-70whp disaprity the outcome in the vid makes perfect sense

        especially when it takes me over 100whp to be able to beat a car that weighs 1000lbs less than me
        Yes, vid makes sense.
      1. LZH's Avatar
        LZH -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by ultimateendz Click here to enlarge
        the V owner is a member of my forum ctsvowners.....the V had a 200lb passenger...the weight in the car with the driver is 4500lbs as i have weighed mine...
        I'm beginning to see the problem here. Any slight comment putting the V down and you get your panties in a bunch. What do you think the result would be if the C63 had a blower like the V ?
      1. ultimateendz's Avatar
        ultimateendz -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by LZH Click here to enlarge
        I'm beginning to see the problem here. Any slight comment putting the V down and you get your panties in a bunch. What do you think the result would be if the C63 had a blower like the V ?
        dude...im not partial to the V...the c63 with a blower is fast as we have seen JRCART...there are also fast Vs in that caliber too..my goal is to get there as well...fastest V goes 9.6@146 i think JRCART is somewhere in that range as well...the V is HEAVY....it needs more power to get moving more than most cars need....pretty sure JRCART doesnt need nearly as much to get there
      1. LZH's Avatar
        LZH -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by ultimateendz Click here to enlarge
        dude...im not partial to the V...the c63 with a blower is fast as we have seen JRCART...there are also fast Vs in that caliber too..my goal is to get there as well...fastest V goes 9.6@146 i think JRCART is somewhere in that range as well...the V is HEAVY....it needs more power to get moving more than most cars need....pretty sure JRCART doesnt need nearly as much to get there
        You're not partial to the V ? You own one. Comparing it to JRcarts Black Series isn't and equal comparison. I know there are some very fast V's out there. And the fastest one probably didn't spend nearly as much as Jim or Earl have. You get a lot more bang for the buck domestically. Either way....I think this all started cause someone said the M156 is a better, more efficient motor - I don't think anyone can argue that. But again, 2 very different motors as someone mentioned earlier....2v vs 4v etc etc....
      1. ultimateendz's Avatar
        ultimateendz -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by LZH Click here to enlarge
        You're not partial to the V ? You own one. Comparing it to JRcarts Black Series isn't and equal comparison. I know there are some very fast V's out there. And the fastest one probably didn't spend nearly as much as Jim or Earl have. You get a lot more bang for the buck domestically. Either way....I think this all started cause someone said the M156 is a better, more efficient motor - I don't think anyone can argue that. But again, 2 very different motors as someone mentioned earlier....2v vs 4v etc etc....
        i meant not partial to the V as in i dont go all sticky when someone says the V loses...i said that to pick on sticky actually since he loves to do it in every other thread we post...hence the kanye pic....it was my boys thread so i posted it...we all laughed off line about it.im well aware JRCART spent ALOT more money than manny(the owner of the fastest V) im comparing power not $$$....i personally know sledgehammer, lost marine, mr squeeze...etc...we all laugh about this and sticky....hence why i made those comments in THIS thread...ive been beaten by cars with less power and i dont get upset about it....i just dont like sticky....and I dont even know you...and i mean as far as the forum goes...let alone personally....so i dont even know why your trying to argue with me
      1. LZH's Avatar
        LZH -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by ultimateendz Click here to enlarge
        i meant not partial to the V as in i dont go all sticky when someone says the V loses...i said that to pick on sticky actually since he loves to do it in every other thread we post...hence the kanye pic....it was my boys thread so i posted it...we all laughed off line about it.im well aware JRCART spent ALOT more money than manny(the owner of the fastest V) im comparing power not $$$....i personally know sledgehammer, lost marine, mr squeeze...etc...we all laugh about this and sticky....hence why i made those comments in THIS thread...ive been beaten by cars with less power and i dont get upset about it....i just dont like sticky....and I dont even know you...and i mean as far as the forum goes...let alone personally....so i dont even know why your trying to argue with me
        Who's arguing ? Seems like you are the only person here with a chip on his shoulder.
      1. ultimateendz's Avatar
        ultimateendz -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by LZH Click here to enlarge
        Who's arguing ? Seems like you are the only person here with a chip on his shoulder.

        ok then...this thread is finished
      1. Sticky's Avatar
        Sticky -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by ultimateendz Click here to enlarge
        i meant not partial to the V as in i dont go all sticky when someone says the V loses...i said that to pick on sticky actually since he loves to do it in every other thread we post...hence the kanye pic....it was my boys thread so i posted it...we all laughed off line about it.im well aware JRCART spent ALOT more money than manny(the owner of the fastest V) im comparing power not $$$....i personally know sledgehammer, lost marine, mr squeeze...etc...we all laugh about this and sticky....hence why i made those comments in THIS thread...ive been beaten by cars with less power and i dont get upset about it....i just dont like sticky....and I dont even know you...and i mean as far as the forum goes...let alone personally....so i dont even know why your trying to argue with me
        You seem to have some personal issues... hate me or whatever it's fine I at least provide the atmosphere where you can express yourself. You are the one who is deciding to use it negatively and started with it in this thread and now are sort of back peddling when people call you on it.
      1. ultimateendz's Avatar
        ultimateendz -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sticky Click here to enlarge
        You seem to have some personal issues... hate me or whatever it's fine I at least provide the atmosphere where you can express yourself. You are the one who is deciding to use it negatively and started with it in this thread and now are sort of back peddling when people call you on it.

        call me on what....the fact i dont like you?
      1. Sticky's Avatar
        Sticky -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by ultimateendz Click here to enlarge
        call me on what....the fact i dont like you?
        No calling you on acting like a douchebag. Do you need a hug from me or something?