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    • Watch the Porsche 958 Cayenne Turbo beat up the Mercedes-Benz W166 ML63 AMG around the track - Mercedes traction control can not be disabled

      The new ML63 is a beast thanks to the M157 5.5 liter twin turbo V8 under the hood. And AMG though is supposed to be about far more than just a big motor and straightline speed but unfortunately the new ML63 reminds us that AMG just is not quite as track focused as its rivals, Black Series notwithstanding. What kills the ML63 AMG in this comparison is that traction control just can not be turned even when the car says it is turned off.


      Yes, there is no way to permanently disable it and even pressing the button to turn it off still leaves a secondary layer of traction control. It would not be a big deal if it just was not so intrusive. How intrusive? The car automatically applies the brakes, will tighten the seatbelt, and also cut power. This makes getting a fast laptime out of what's supposed to be an AMG vehicle very difficult.

      Porsche on the other hand with the Cayenne allows one to completely disable traction control. This allows for some ridiculously impressive drifts in the Cayenne Turbo. Yes, you can actually drift a Cayenne. This clearly shows the different philosophies of the companies and Porsche proves even with its SUV it is simply much more enthusiast oriented.

      The Cayenne Turbo ends up lapping 1 second faster than the ML63 AMG. It would be interesting to see how much better the ML would be without the ridiculous electronic nannies killing the fun. Seriously AMG, what the hell? You have been doing so well lately.

      This article was originally published in forum thread: Watch the Porsche 958 Cayenne Turbo beat up the Mercedes-Benz W166 ML63 AMG around the track - Mercedes traction control can not be disabled started by Sticky View original post
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      1. Sparky68's Avatar
        Sparky68 -
        Tiff Needel awesome driver. Never been a fan of the ML range i have to admit.

        that circuit is 20 minutes from here and we do the occasional film day there.
      1. Sticky's Avatar
        Sticky -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sparky68 Click here to enlarge
        Tiff Needel awesome driver. Never been a fan of the ML range i have to admit.
        It's beyond lame that one can't disable the traction control in that car. And the brakes automatically being applied and the seatbelt tightened? Seriously AMG stop being my mom.
      1. Sparky68's Avatar
        Sparky68 -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sticky Click here to enlarge
        It's beyond lame that one can't disable the traction control in that car. And the brakes automatically being applied and the seatbelt tightened? Seriously AMG stop being my mom.
        Maybe it is to do with our crazy safety laws over here in Europe, wouldn't suprize me.
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        Sticky -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sparky68 Click here to enlarge
        Maybe it is to do with our crazy safety laws over here in Europe, wouldn't suprize me.
        Porsche is subject to those same laws.
      1. Sparky68's Avatar
        Sparky68 -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sticky Click here to enlarge
        Porsche is subject to those same laws.
        Very good point!

        Would take a Range Rover with a Overfinch/Khan makeover over both any day.
      1. Sparky68's Avatar
      1. Sticky's Avatar
        Sticky -
        Not me. The new lighter Land Rovers though I'm digging.
      1. Sparky68's Avatar
        Sparky68 -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sticky Click here to enlarge
        Not me. The new lighter Land Rovers though I'm digging.
        Driven the evoque and the styling is funky enough, prefer the big Range rover though.

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        Sticky -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sparky68 Click here to enlarge
        Driven the evoque and the styling is funky enough, prefer the big Range rover though.

        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wysSbvMsv_4
        It's not a performance SUV though.
      1. Sparky68's Avatar
        Sparky68 -
        What do you make of this mate?

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        Sticky -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sparky68 Click here to enlarge
        What do you make of this mate?

        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GJCJYPDzFdo
        Not my color but don't mind it. I like the Evoque... with a big turbo it would be insane.
      1. Sparky68's Avatar
        Sparky68 -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sticky Click here to enlarge
        Not my color but don't mind it. I like the Evoque... with a big turbo it would be insane.
        Not sure which BMW engine it uses [ if they still do] ?
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        Sticky -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sparky68 Click here to enlarge
        Not sure which BMW engine it uses [ if they still do] ?
        They no longer do.
      1. mramg1's Avatar
        mramg1 -
        SImply put it into dyno mode, and good buy ESC.

        It would be nice if people that reviews cars, actually knew cars, LOL
      1. Sticky's Avatar
        Sticky -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by mramg1 Click here to enlarge
        SImply put it into dyno mode, and good buy ESC.

        It would be nice if people that reviews cars, actually knew cars, LOL
        How do you put it in dyno mode while driving?
      1. Sparky68's Avatar
        Sparky68 -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by mramg1 Click here to enlarge
        SImply put it into dyno mode, and good buy ESC.

        It would be nice if people that reviews cars, actually knew cars, LOL
        Tiff Needel knows a thing or 2 about cars.

      1. mramg1's Avatar
        mramg1 -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sticky Click here to enlarge
        How do you put it in dyno mode while driving?
        You don't my friend. But it is VERY easy to do it befroe you start up. Hell, I just had my S in dyno mode about 1 hour ago for some fun LOL

        Hello new rear tires!!!
      1. Sticky's Avatar
        Sticky -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by mramg1 Click here to enlarge
        You don't my friend. But it is VERY easy to do it befroe you start up. Hell, I just had my S in dyno mode about 1 hour ago for some fun LOL

        Hello new rear tires!!!
        How do you know it's the same process for the new ML? And how would the average person know? Is it something in the manual that's detailed?
      1. mramg1's Avatar
        mramg1 -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sparky68 Click here to enlarge
        Tiff Needel knows a thing or 2 about cars.

        http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XbX-s1x9suM
        Appearently not all cars my friend.
      1. Sparky68's Avatar
        Sparky68 -
        Well he probably knows about a few more than me.

        http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tiff_Needell