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    • Supercharged M3 versus single turbo upgrade 335i - ESS VT2-625 supercharged E92 M3 DCT S65 V8 versus Vishnu single turbo 335i with meth injection

      Interesting race here with the ever popular M3 versus 335i topic. Before this race creates a World War on BimmerBoost it really goes exactly as expected. Despite what Vishnu would have people think about "their" (FFtec) single turbo kit for the N54 it ends up just a bit slower than a DCT M3 running a basic Vortec V3si supercharger kit at 7 psi with a 91 octane pump gas tune. The 335i even has meth injection which of course it will need due to how Vishnu tends to go about masking fuel issues when trying to make big power on the N54 with the turbo kit.


      The 335i is likely a manual as the automatic single turbo cars still do not seem to be making the same power as the manual vehicles. So, at this point, it will really take a manual 335i with meth on race gas with the ST kit to keep pace with a mild supercharged DCT M3 on 91 pump as seen in the vid. The M3 pulls, but the 335i does a nice job considering the M3 seems to get a jump on it and has the disadvantage seen during shifts due to the dual clutch M3 transmission.

      The main thing this video shows is Shiv@Vishnu needs to beat stock internal M3's before running his mouth about what this turbo kit can do against more stout BMW's including more powerful M3's. Which right now, as the video shows, is not much of anything.

      This article was originally published in forum thread: Supercharged M3 versus single turbo upgrade 335i - ESS VT2-625 supercharged E92 M3 DCT S65 V8 versus Vishnu single turbo 335i with meth injection started by Sticky View original post
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      1. RnmEvo9's Avatar
        RnmEvo9 -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by leo985i Click here to enlarge
        What the $#@! is wrong with those singles after almost a year since their release?
        Well for starters, its tuned with a Procede...
      1. Andrew@activeautowerke's Avatar
        Andrew@activeautowerke -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Terry@BMS Click here to enlarge
        I think that is the same M3 I raced in Bakersfield and put 2-3 cars on with our 135 when it would shift properly. That car makes 500rw. It seems like the single turbo car has to be making the equivalent of only 460whp or so at least in this video.

        How is it making 500 whp when all of these make 60-100 more?

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        They claim around 500 whp with the non intercooled kits.
      1. LostMarine's Avatar
        LostMarine -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Andrew@activeautowerke Click here to enlarge
        How is it making 500 whp when all of these make 60-100 more?

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        They claim around 500 whp with the non intercooled kits.
        he meant the 135 is making 500, i believe
      1. Andrew@activeautowerke's Avatar
        Andrew@activeautowerke -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by LostMarine Click here to enlarge
        he meant the 135 is making 500, i believe
        Agh.. I see Sorry.
      1. Torgus's Avatar
        Torgus -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Andrew@activeautowerke Click here to enlarge
        How is it making 500 whp when all of these make 60-100 more?

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        They claim around 500 whp with the non intercooled kits.
        Who is reving out their N54 to 8.5k? I would assume valve float on stock springs even approaching this speed. Any more info?
      1. Sticky's Avatar
        Sticky -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Terry@BMS Click here to enlarge
        I think that is the same M3 I raced in Bakersfield and put 2-3 cars on with our 135 when it would shift properly. That car makes 500rw. It seems like the single turbo car has to be making the equivalent of only 460whp or so at least in this video.
        I wouldn't guess the rwhp figure but the M3 will make more efficient use of its power and shift faster so this 335 needs more power to run with it. Secondly, the powerband of that car hurts it on the start it seems so then it has to make up ground.

        Either way, I'll run any of shiv's ST when I'm on 91 pump gas just to be a good sport.
      1. Sticky's Avatar
        Sticky -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Torgus Click here to enlarge
        Who is reving out their N54 to 8.5k? I would assume valve float on stock springs even approaching this speed. Any more info?
        Some of you guys really need to pull your heads out of the N54's ....
      1. benzy89's Avatar
        benzy89 -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Torgus Click here to enlarge
        Who is reving out their N54 to 8.5k? I would assume valve float on stock springs even approaching this speed. Any more info?
        That's an E9x Dyno (with various ESS S/Cs)
      1. Sticky's Avatar
        Sticky -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by benzy89 Click here to enlarge
        That's an E9x Dyno (with various ESS S/Cs)
        And an N54 will never have a curve that beautiful... ever.
      1. LostMarine's Avatar
        LostMarine -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sticky Click here to enlarge
        And an N54 will never have a curve that beautiful... ever.
        i wouldnt call those graphs beautiful.. AA has some artistic graphs though..
      1. Sticky's Avatar
        Sticky -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by LostMarine Click here to enlarge
        i wouldnt call those graphs beautiful.. AA has some artistic graphs though..
        I mean not as smooth as AA but obviously an N54 won't replicate that curve. It's still quite nice.
      1. bubu's Avatar
        bubu -
        I'm the M3 owner who shot the video and need to correct some wild BS floating around on here...here as the facts as I know them. 335i owner was great to chat with.

        1. The M3 puts down around 535-540 whp on a dynojet consistently. I was trapping in the low 150's both days at the half mile mark.

        2. The 335i wanted a 60mph roll with as much starting room as possible. This run was from a 50mph roll. The 335i had Mikey Thompson drag radials on the rear.

        3. The camera placement angle on my front windshield & wide angle lens make it look like a bigger gap at the start then it is between the cars.

        4. Shiv@Vinshu publicly claimed the 335i had a wastegate leak on another board where this video is posted. Claims of over 500whp on a Mustang dyno, 650 dynojet were also thrown out.
        5. The "fastest e9x chasis" claim is Click here to enlarge. The 335i's were starting at the VERY VERY BACK of the runway & were going wide open throttle to get that trap speed. My guess is they were hit the cones @ 70mph+. This is directly from the mouth of one of the 335i guys...unfortunately did not catch his name, I think he goes by "CaptainInsano" on the "heretic" board. There was a built-motor ess sc'd e92 m3 which had higher trap speeds (although he hardly ran)

        6. The guys running the 335i were some of the nicest people to hang out with at this event and I look forward to seeing them again if they make it out to the next one of these.

        Terry@BMS, what happened to your car at the event? I saw it early on...and then you were gone? How much did the 135i put down on a dyno? The truth now...not that pesemistic # you had on your window to rope in victims? Click here to enlarge
      1. Terry@BMS's Avatar
        Terry@BMS -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by bubu Click here to enlarge
        I'm the M3 owner who shot the video and need to correct some wild BS floating around on here...here as the facts as I know them. 335i owner was great to chat with.

        1. The M3 puts down around 535-540 whp on a dynojet consistently. I was trapping in the low 150's both days at the half mile mark.

        2. The 335i wanted a 60mph roll with as much starting room as possible. This run was from a 50mph roll. The 335i had Mikey Thompson drag radials on the rear.

        3. The camera placement angle on my front windshield & wide angle lens make it look like a bigger gap at the start then it is between the cars.

        4. Shiv@Vinshu publicly claimed the 335i had a wastegate leak on another board where this video is posted. Claims of over 500whp on a Mustang dyno, 650 dynojet were also thrown out.
        5. The "fastest e9x chasis" claim is Click here to enlarge. The 335i's were starting at the VERY VERY BACK of the runway & were going wide open throttle to get that trap speed. My guess is they were hit the cones @ 70mph+. This is directly from the mouth of one of the 335i guys...unfortunately did not catch his name. There was a built-motor ess sc'd e92 m3 which had higher trap speeds (although he hardly ran)

        6. The guys running the 335i were some of the nicest people to hang out with at this event and I look forward to seeing them again if they make it out to the next one of these.

        Terry@BMS, what happened to your car at the event? I saw it early on...and then you were gone? How much did the 135i put down on a dyno? The truth now...not that pesemistic # you had on your window to rope in victims? Click here to enlarge
        Interesting comments. I raced a GTR and the guy floored it 50' before the cones and zoomed past me at 60+mph. You're supposed to start at 40mph or if you agree with the person you are racing 50mph, and not floor it until the cones, lol.

        I unfortunately broke down. Didn't get a clean run all day. Trans was popping out of gear around 140mph sending the tach through the roof. On the last run the engine started clanking badly and smoking. So something inside is broken. Had to limp home on 5 cylinders.

        My car makes anywhere from 480rw to 520rw depending on how much boost/timing its running. But I ran it at 500rw just like I did at NFZ. At that event the car was flawless every run. This time around nothing but problems. Such is life. Click here to enlarge Going to throw a 3k eBay motor in it for a few months and build mine up with some larger turbos.
      1. bubu's Avatar
        bubu -
        Terry, 500rwh in a 3,000 lb chasis would certainly produce the results we've been seeing from your 135i...its a shame you broke down Click here to enlarge Are you going to NFZ II? I should have some extra goodies to give you a run for your money.

        As for the "jumping", you should see the video of me running a F430 Scuderia. Sometimes its innocent, most of the time its intentional. I just rolled up @ 40mph to the cones and floored it...the trap speeds showed who was faster and if someone can't match your speed, or wants to hang back for a faster cone speed there ain't a thing you can do about it.
      1. Terry@BMS's Avatar
        Terry@BMS -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by bubu Click here to enlarge
        Terry, 500rwh in a 3,000 lb chasis would certainly produce the results we've been seeing from your 135i...its a shame you broke down Click here to enlarge Are you going to NFZ II? I should have some extra goodies to give you a run for your money.

        As for the "jumping", you should see the video of me running a F430 Scuderia. Sometimes its innocent, most of the time its intentional. I just rolled up @ 40mph to the cones and floored it...the trap speeds showed who was faster and if someone can't match your speed, or wants to hang back for a faster cone speed there ain't a thing you can do about it.
        Yes I just signed up. Although, I'm not sure which car or trim I'll be racing in. I might be racing in our E92 w/ factory turbos. It's heavier and only does 450whp. And it's a manual trans. But will be fun to hang out just the same.
      1. bubu's Avatar
        bubu -
        450whp...remove some interior & add 110 = a really fast 335 Click here to enlarge
      1. Sticky's Avatar
        Sticky -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by bubu Click here to enlarge
        The 335i wanted a 60mph roll with as much starting room as possible.
        Had to smirkh ere.

        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by bubu Click here to enlarge
        Shiv@Vinshu publicly claimed the 335i had a wastegate leak on another board where this video is posted. Claims of over 500whp on a Mustang dyno, 650 dynojet were also thrown out.
        Do any of his cars ever run correctly or is it just when a dyno sheet is posted?

        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by bubu Click here to enlarge
        The "fastest e9x chasis" claim is . The 335i's were starting at the VERY VERY BACK of the runway & were going wide open throttle to get that trap speed. My guess is they were hit the cones @ 70mph+. This is directly from the mouth of one of the 335i guys...unfortunately did not catch his name, I think he goes by "CaptainInsano" on the "heretic" board. There was a built-motor ess sc'd e92 m3 which had higher trap speeds (although he hardly ran)
        So, manipulating the circumstances essentially? Surprising.
      1. benzy89's Avatar
        benzy89 -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sticky Click here to enlarge
        So, manipulating the circumstances essentially? Surprising.
        I love that E90Post & M3Post are a mouse click away from each other & that there are two COMPLETELY different stories being told about how specific cars ran against each other.
      1. Torgus's Avatar
        Torgus -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sticky Click here to enlarge
        Some of you guys really need to pull your heads out of the N54's ....
        blah that was just me being an idiot while drunk. I thought it was a N54ST dyno.
      1. BavarianBullet's Avatar
        BavarianBullet -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by crazylegs Click here to enlarge
        I want to so captaininsanos 163.3 run anyone know who he ran against? shiv said he was on "25 PSI about 650 whp"
        I'm sure he was doing exactly 40mph at the start cones.Click here to enlarge