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    • F80 M3 / F82 M4 testing at the ring shows off the new S55 turbo inline-6 exhaust note - New M3/M4 sounds average? Comparison to E92 M3 S65 V8

      It is no secret the switch to turbo motors for the BMW M division has brought along with it some issues that upset M purists. A recent comparison between the classic naturally aspirated M exhaust note in the E60 M5 versus the new turbo exhaust note in the F10 M5 highlighted a glaring difference in sound quality. Do not forget, the F10 M5 is receiving a revised exhaust system so BMW themselves recognizes the exhaust note in their latest M cars has not exactly been up to the standards they set themselves.


      Let's be honest, the new M5 even fakes its exhaust sound with synthetic noise piped into the cabin so things have gone a bit off the rails at M. BMW recognizes its latest M missteps so this should bode well for the exhaust note of the new F80 M3 and F82 M4. The video below is the clearest sound yet of the upcoming new M cars.

      Take a listen:


      How do you feel? It seems to be a bit more uncorked than the F10 M5 factory note was but still has a low pitched drone sound quality to it. Spectacular? No. Passable? Sure.

      Now take a listen to a compilation of the E92 M3 S65 V8 exhaust note:


      Is it even a contest? If fuel economy and cost saving matters more than emotion at M these days, so be it. But something has been lost in translation.
      This article was originally published in forum thread: F80 M3 / F82 M4 testing at the ring shows off the new S55 turbo inline-6 exhaust note - New M3/M4 sounds average? Comparison to E92 M3 S65 V8 started by Sticky View original post
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      1. Sticky's Avatar
        Sticky -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by skoot3r Click here to enlarge
        Blind fanboy? That's a cool story. I feel I'm being pretty neutral. Also in my OPINION I feel it's pretty weak with out optioning a 2k factory optional exhaust. That's why I run a gintani xpipe and race mufflers. So you can actually hear what s65 really sounds like. Back when I had my n54 in my OPINION I felt the exhaust had a nice rumble for being stock. But if you want to compare aftermarket systems the M3 will win hands down. The new f80 will not be able to touch the e9x m in terms of sound stock/aftermarket but it wont sound bad
        So because BMW doesn't just uncork the V8 due to decibel limits it's a weak exhaust note in your mind yet you right there say the factory option makes it not weak? So we establish the V8 sounds great if you check the right option box from the factory? Awesome. And will the N54/N55/S55 have an option box to turn it into a high revving naturally aspirated V8? Will there be an aftermarket exhaust that does that?

        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by skoot3r Click here to enlarge
        The new f80 will not be able to touch the e9x m in terms of sound stock/aftermarket but it wont sound bad
        That would be what the article states... yep.
      1. Sticky's Avatar
        Sticky -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by E90Company Click here to enlarge
        I'm not going to reply in this thread any longer. I've made my point.
        Oh did you ever.
      1. ra2289's Avatar
        ra2289 -
        Forums are awesome! Shows you guys right for having a difference of opinion on a subjective argument. Endless entertainment.
      1. Sticky's Avatar
        Sticky -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by ra2289 Click here to enlarge
        Forums are awesome! Shows you guys right for having a difference of opinion on a subjective argument. Endless entertainment.
        It is not subjective that engineering design choices in the creation of a Ferrari V8 do not mean the sound quality of a Ferrrari carries over to a Maserati motor with completely different engineering choices affecting its sound quality.

        The point of a subjective appreciation of a sound note of course is valid although I have no idea who thinks the new turbo M motors are the best examples of great sounding motors from BMW M.
      1. LostMarine's Avatar
        LostMarine -
        the only non V8 and larger exhaust i like are either the 2JZ or almost any nissan- 350-370-gtr anything else i think just doesnt sound "good"; its more annoying than intoxicating
      1. ra2289's Avatar
        ra2289 -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sticky Click here to enlarge
        It is not subjective that engineering design choices in the creation of a Ferrari V8 do not mean the sound quality of a Ferrrari carries over to a Maserati motor with completely different engineering choices affecting its sound quality.
        Oh I wasn't referring to that. More so just poking fun at what the thread started out as- personal opinions on the new M3/4 exhaust sound and how it compares to the s65's- versus where it is now.

        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sticky Click here to enlarge
        The point of a subjective appreciation of a sound note of course is valid although I have no idea who thinks the new turbo M motors are the best examples of great sounding motors from BMW M.
        This. I don't think anyone is saying the latter part, although I must confess to skipping a few replies. However if someone did state that its simply his/her personal opinion.
      1. Sticky's Avatar
        Sticky -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by ra2289 Click here to enlarge
        Oh I wasn't referring to that. More so just poking fun at what the thread started out as- personal opinions on the new M3/4 exhaust sound and how it compares to the s65's- versus where it is now.
        I understand I just wanted to highlight a specific point.

        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by ra2289 Click here to enlarge
        This. I don't think anyone is saying the latter part, although I must confess to skipping a few replies. However if someone did state that its simply his/her personal opinion.
        Some people seem to think an aftermarket exhaust fixes everything. Some things just can't be changed.
      1. E90Company's Avatar
        E90Company -
        It's ok. A Ferrari/Maserati still sounds way better than any S65 will ever sound period.
      1. Sticky's Avatar
        Sticky -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by E90Company Click here to enlarge
        It's ok. A Ferrari/Maserati still sounds way better than any S65 will ever sound period.
        Oh yeah your proximity argument as evidence. Maybe if BMW puts a factory next door to Ferrari's the sound of the M3 will improve?

        We can agree your motor will never sound better though, right?
      1. lulz_m3's Avatar
        lulz_m3 -
        Wow, this thread really went to $#@!. Stickys blind love of the S65 strikes again...
      1. benzy89's Avatar
        benzy89 -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sticky Click here to enlarge
        Sounds like a children's toy compared to my car. Come close? L O L

        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wvFRdJlWJwg
        There are VERY few turbo motors that sound "good" -- The Pagani Huayra, TT-Gallardos & the 2JZ (which I don't even think sounds that great, but it's certainly an iconic noise). BUT at the same, I don't think your M3 sounds good either, it's just a TON of noise (a lot like the GTRs). Honestly, a simple Eisenmann or Evolve sounds better IMO


        Honestly this was kind of a dumb article, what sounds "good" is very subjective to each person. Some people love the droney hum of turbo motors while other people love to hear an N/A motor sing. BUT performance is an indisputable, an the F8x M3/M4 is going to be faster
      1. StinkyM's Avatar
        StinkyM -
        The 911 turbo doesn't sound as good as a gt3rs 4.0. Should we complain about it? Everyday I see more information about the upcoming M3/4 and everyday sticky has to degrade it someway somehow. Everyday you comment how BMW sucks and every article you write states the same. Now you're entitled to your own opinion, but even Jeremy clarkson could say something nice about a 911 once in a while and his hate for them is twice as deep as yours for BMW.
      1. NatAsp-M3's Avatar
        NatAsp-M3 -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by E90Company Click here to enlarge
        Sticky seriously? I'm not being biased or idiotic at all. Far from that actually. Maserati motors are built in the same exact factory Ferrari builds their motors in Modena Italy. Right next to each other in fact. Same assembly line, same workers, etc. All hand built. I know this because I went there and saw it with my own eyes. You do know they are sister companys right? Their parts are basically the same with a few differences to better fit a more luxury oriented car.



        It's a Ferrari motor. They are the same company that use the same parts. The top of the motor is red just like a Ferrari's motor is. How am I not making sense? I've witnessed them build the motors...

        That's not the point though. Even if it wasn't a Ferrari motor it still sounds better than an S65.
        Maserati purchases the engines from Ferrari, who manufactures them as you point out. Nothing else comes from Ferrari. Most of the new cars put out by both companies are still designed by Pininfarina, an independent design company- and I think that confuses people as to the independent nature of the 2 companies.

        As has been mentioned in this thread, there is soo much more to the sound than just the engine. I have both a QP and a Ferrari. Both V8 engines, obviously, are made by Ferrari. Trust me, they sound incredibly different.

        Once there are a few aftermarket options available for these new models, you can usually make simple changes with profound effects on the exhaust note... so it's not the end of the world. What is preferred IS subjective... and I say that objectively Click here to enlarge
      1. Autobahn335i's Avatar
        Autobahn335i -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sticky Click here to enlarge
        You must have been wearing ear plugs. You can hardly hear it? Um, ok. Sounds like $#@!? That would be the F10 M5 that needs fake exhaust sounds.

        You think N54 cars are better than the M3 though so we know where you stand but you are just being blatantly blind with this post. S65 sounds like $#@!, dumbest comment of the year. Absolutely idiotic, did you type that with a straight face?
        Where did I mention the N54?? So if the STOCK S65 exhaust is SO great, then show me just ONE enthusiast who didn't put an aftermarket exhaust on his M3. Just ONE.

        Yes it can sound great with an Akrapovic or other exhaust, but what's the point of comparing that to a stock/development stage F82 exhaust?
      1. bobS's Avatar
        bobS -
        +1, no enthusiast with a m3 keeps the stock exhaust
      1. Sticky's Avatar
        Sticky -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by lulz_m3 Click here to enlarge
        Wow, this thread really went to $#@!. Stickys blind love of the S65 strikes again...
        What blind love is there? Yeah it's blind for me to say the S65 sounds better than this motor but someone saying a Maserati sounds better because it's a "Ferrari" motor and not even getting it right is not blind. Good point dude.
      1. E90Company's Avatar
        E90Company -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by NatAsp-M3 Click here to enlarge
        Maserati purchases the engines from Ferrari, who manufactures them as you point out. Nothing else comes from Ferrari. Most of the new cars put out by both companies are still designed by Pininfarina, an independent design company- and I think that confuses people as to the independent nature of the 2 companies.

        As has been mentioned in this thread, there is soo much more to the sound than just the engine. I have both a QP and a Ferrari. Both V8 engines, obviously, are made by Ferrari. Trust me, they sound incredibly different.

        Once there are a few aftermarket options available for these new models, you can usually make simple changes with profound effects on the exhaust note... so it's not the end of the world. What is preferred IS subjective... and I say that objectively Click here to enlarge
        Agree.
      1. Sticky's Avatar
        Sticky -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by benzy89 Click here to enlarge
        There are VERY few turbo motors that sound "good" -- The Pagani Huayra, TT-Gallardos & the 2JZ (which I don't even think sounds that great, but it's certainly an iconic noise). BUT at the same, I don't think your M3 sounds good either, it's just a TON of noise (a lot like the GTRs). Honestly, a simple Eisenmann or Evolve sounds better IMO

        Honestly this was kind of a dumb article, what sounds "good" is very subjective to each person. Some people love the droney hum of turbo motors while other people love to hear an N/A motor sing. BUT performance is an indisputable, an the F8x M3/M4 is going to be faster
        Sound quality of new M cars is a major point and not dumb at all. If they sounded 'good' BMW would not be revising the exhaust system and they would never have bothered with synthetic engine sounds.

        There are turbo motors that sound good. The M838T sounds amazing, wonder if anyone can guess why?
      1. Sticky's Avatar
        Sticky -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by StinkyM Click here to enlarge
        The 911 turbo doesn't sound as good as a gt3rs 4.0. Should we complain about it? Everyday I see more information about the upcoming M3/4 and everyday sticky has to degrade it someway somehow. Everyday you comment how BMW sucks and every article you write states the same. Now you're entitled to your own opinion, but even Jeremy clarkson could say something nice about a 911 once in a while and his hate for them is twice as deep as yours for BMW.
        You don't need to complain with Porsche. They give you the choice between the two.

        I say nice things about BMW when they are warranted. Sorry the M3 doesn't sound great, what do you want me to do? Lie? Pretend BMW is the best in the world still like other sites? Tote the company line and praise the i3? Pat them on the back for cheating in ALMS? Sorry, not happening.
      1. Sticky's Avatar
        Sticky -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by NatAsp-M3 Click here to enlarge
        As has been mentioned in this thread, there is soo much more to the sound than just the engine. I have both a QP and a Ferrari. Both V8 engines, obviously, are made by Ferrari. Trust me, they sound incredibly different.
        And there's a major reason why they sound incredibly different but let's not let facts muddy things.