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    • Strength of the supercharged E92 M3 S65 V8 top end - DCT M3 puts buslengths on a Ferrari 458 Italia

      Many people look at the M3 torque figures and horsepower and think peak numbers tell the whole story. Well, they do not. The M3 motor when massaged with a little boost becomes an absolute best namely up top with a centrifugal blower which builds boost with RPM. The M3 revving to 8400 rpm in stock form when paired with this style of blower makes for a very strong roll on racing car. Don't believe me? Check out the video below of a 458 Italia being blown away on the highway.


      Now the 458 Italia is no slouch. It's a very fast car even in stock form. This M3 is packing some heat though running an ESS-VT2 625 supercharger kit with a different pulley for more boost for an output of 613 horsepower at the wheels. The owner posted his dyno graphs with various pulleys showing the effect on output.

      With 613 horsepower at the wheels and a dual clutch transmission just like the Ferrari it is no contest considering the 458 Italia is down roughly ~150 horsepower at the wheels and it shows.

      Thank you to @BlownE92M3 for the video.

      This article was originally published in forum thread: ESS 625 @ 9psi vs Ferrari 458 Italia started by BlownE92M3 View original post
      Comments 48 Comments
      1. Q4P's Avatar
        Q4P -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sticky Click here to enlarge
        Um if the Gallardo motor is great why turbo it? If the 458 motor is great why turbo it? If the Z06 motor is so great why turbo/supercharge it?

        Seriously?



        Why are we comparing it to the GTR now? What next, UGR Gallardo's? I thought we were talking about BMW's like the M3 in this video destroying the Italia? I've never seen an N54 walk one that hard.



        I'm making way more than 773 whp man. It's no contest. Who cares about $ per HP? Why even mod a BMW then? Go ahead and talk about value if you want I guess I have a built motor supercharged M3 and don't care.
        Dude your head would explode if you ran an Alpha9 GTR... but forget that, we wont see your car against a Civic Si. haha
      1. Sticky's Avatar
        Sticky -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Q4P Click here to enlarge
        Dude your head would explode if you ran an Alpha9 GTR... but forget that, we wont see your car against a Civic Si. haha
        Don't you think if I wanted a GTR I'd have one? Or two?

        Want to put money on it I'll take an Alpha 9?
      1. Q4P's Avatar
        Q4P -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sticky Click here to enlarge
        Don't you think if I wanted a GTR I'd have one? Or two?

        Want to put money on it I'll take an Alpha 9?
        No... but good luck taking a 950 WHP car...
      1. Sticky's Avatar
        Sticky -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Q4P Click here to enlarge
        No... but good luck taking a 950 WHP car...
        Well then I better make sure I have enough power I guess. I have trouble with basic math obviously. Either I do or you do, one of us does.
      1. benzy89's Avatar
        benzy89 -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sticky Click here to enlarge
        He looks like he is more around 134 with 9 psi. I did 130 with 7.5 psi...
        Before you make those claims, don't forget that @BlownE92M3 is running a smaller pulley to reach 9 psi to counter balance the loss of power from being at a super high elevation Colorado


        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Q4P Click here to enlarge
        The GTR is a souless robot. And all wheel drive. And a Nissan. And no V8.
        Give me one track, performance event or whatever you wish where a stock M3 beats a stock GTR... Tuned is another league as well... U know what, find me a modern BMW that runs a 7.9@185... Everything else is badge whoring and the souless robot saying is a fantastic scapegoat.
        WOW, let's keep things in perspective. If you invest a similar amount of money on ANY tuner car that AMS did on their GTR to run a 7.9, 185 1/4 mile, then it better perform at those levels. Also, let's not forget that the GTR is a "stomp on the gas & go" car that's producing over 1,500 HP in drag trim car to got that fast. BMWs aren't & never were 1/4 mile titans, they're more designed for the track & carving up turns so you won't easily find a sub-9 any BMW. Now that BMW has added a legit DCT trans in the E9x M3 and following M-cars (in addition to turbo motors), it'll likely have an appropriate "change" in identity.
      1. Q4P's Avatar
        Q4P -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sticky Click here to enlarge
        Well then I better make sure I have enough power I guess. I have trouble with basic math obviously. Either I do or you do, one of us does.
        boy that's a strong claim... I look forward to seeing it.
      1. Q4P's Avatar
        Q4P -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by benzy89 Click here to enlarge
        Before you make those claims, don't forget that @BlownE92M3 is running a smaller pulley to reach 9 psi to counter balance the loss of power from being at a super high elevation Colorado



        WOW, let's keep things in perspective. If you invest a similar amount of money on ANY tuner car that AMS did on their GTR to run a 7.9, 185 1/4 mile, then it better perform at those levels. Also, let's not forget that the GTR is a "stomp on the gas & go" car that's producing over 1,500 HP in drag trim car to got that fast. BMWs aren't & never were 1/4 mile titans, they're more designed for the track & carving up turns so you won't easily find a sub-9 any BMW. Now that BMW has added a legit DCT trans in the E9x M3 and following M-cars (in addition to turbo motors), it'll likely have an appropriate "change" in identity.
        Sticky has an odd theory that amount of money invested for some reason doesn't matter as long as the car is fast (why?, I have no idea). Note, I didn't just say drag... corner carving will still be won by a GTR because that car defies the laws of physics and with a a 3900 LB curb weight at that.
      1. benzy89's Avatar
        benzy89 -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Q4P Click here to enlarge
        Sticky has an odd theory that amount of money invested for some reason doesn't matter as long as the car is fast (why?, I have no idea). Note, I didn't just say drag... corner carving will still be won by a GTR because that car defies the laws of physics and with a a 3900 LB curb weight at that.
        Money changes everything, and it sounds like we agree with that. But there is NO WAY that the 7 sec AMS GTR can carve up corners like an M3 with legit suspension mods. And that's because to get the GTR to his 7 seconds, everything was built (including the suspension geometry) in going a 1/4 mile as fast as possible, ie not worrying at all about corners.
      1. Q4P's Avatar
        Q4P -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by benzy89 Click here to enlarge
        Money changes everything, and it sounds like we agree with that. But there is NO WAY that the 7 sec AMS GTR can carve up corners like an M3 with legit suspension mods. And that's because to get the GTR to his 7 seconds, everything was built (including the suspension geometry) in going a 1/4 mile as fast as possible, ie not worrying at all about corners.
        Stock for stock dude... Aftermarket always changes everything.
      1. benzy89's Avatar
        benzy89 -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Q4P Click here to enlarge
        Stock for stock dude... Aftermarket always changes everything.
        Stock for track, at the 1/4 mile or at a track the GTR > M3.


        BUT they are certainly two very different driving experiences and (IMO) being able to rev a motor out to 8k is going to be a much more visceral, raw & enjoyable experience for the occasional weekend warrior.
      1. Sticky's Avatar
        Sticky -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Q4P Click here to enlarge
        boy that's a strong claim... I look forward to seeing it.
        Not really.
      1. Sticky's Avatar
        Sticky -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Q4P Click here to enlarge
        Sticky has an odd theory that amount of money invested for some reason doesn't matter as long as the car is fast (why?, I have no idea). Note, I didn't just say drag... corner carving will still be won by a GTR because that car defies the laws of physics and with a a 3900 LB curb weight at that.
        Because I'm modifying a BMW not going for $ per HP or else why bother with a BMW ever?
      1. richpike's Avatar
        richpike -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by lulz_m3 Click here to enlarge
        What would you expect a 600whp M3 to trap? 458's are around 129-131 or so i believe.
        A 458 isn't going to trap 130 here in Colorado though. I've been at Bandimere (5,800ft of elevation - just outside of Denver) and watched Vipers barely break in to the 13s (down 10+mph on trap). I would expect the same for a 458 - probably low 120s at our elevation.

        -Rich
      1. lulz_m3's Avatar
        lulz_m3 -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by richpike Click here to enlarge
        A 458 isn't going to trap 130 here in Colorado though. I've been at Bandimere (5,800ft of elevation - just outside of Denver) and watched Vipers barely break in to the 13s (down 10+mph on trap). I would expect the same for a 458 - probably low 120s at our elevation.

        -Rich
        That's what i figured, the 129-131 i quoted was closer to sea level.
      1. Sticky's Avatar
        Sticky -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by lulz_m3 Click here to enlarge
        That's what i figured, the 129-131 i quoted was closer to sea level.
        His 9 psi at sea level is going to be pretty damn stout...
      1. benzy89's Avatar
        benzy89 -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sticky Click here to enlarge
        His 9 psi at sea level is going to be pretty damn stout...
        But he wouldn't be running 9 psi at sea level Click here to enlarge He's only running the 9 psi pulley to achieve the power the kit should​ be producing
      1. Sticky's Avatar
        Sticky -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by benzy89 Click here to enlarge
        But he wouldn't be running 9 psi at sea level Click here to enlarge He's only running the 9 psi pulley to achieve the power the kit should​ be producing
        He's producing a bit more, that's a very healthy M3.

        He wouldn't be running 9 psi at seal level my point was he could and imagine what his output would be. VERY stout car.
      1. benzy89's Avatar
        benzy89 -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sticky Click here to enlarge
        He's producing a bit more, that's a very healthy M3.

        He wouldn't be running 9 psi at seal level my point was he could and imagine what his output would be. VERY stout car.
        I mean, it's right on par with the East Coast (NY/NJ) ESS M3s that are all somehow producing ~600 WHP+ 8 psi. Does anyone know what the highest psi someone's run a Vortech V3 on a stock motor at sea level?
      1. Sticky's Avatar
        Sticky -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by benzy89 Click here to enlarge
        I mean, it's right on par with the East Coast (NY/NJ) ESS M3s that are all somehow producing ~600 WHP+ 8 psi. Does anyone know what the highest psi someone's run a Vortech V3 on a stock motor at sea level?
        13 psi I think. Gintani ran a stock motor to that and it held fine.

        He's a little higher than those other M3's and those other M3's are getting that HP from a spike usually from the throttles closing. This is an honest 613 whp.
      1. LostMarine's Avatar
        LostMarine -
        there is no way he is trapping over 130 mph in the 1/4.... think about the situation before you try and debate this one...cant wait to see the masterminds argue about this one Click here to enlarge