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    • Exterior and interior pictures of the 2014 BMW F22 M235i leak early plus specs - 3207 pound curb weight

      The official reveal is set for tomorrow but the internet beats BMW to the punch yet again. Not the highest quality photos but it looks like someone was able to sneak out with some pictures of the M235i. The car will have 322 horsepower from the well known N55 inline-6 turbocharged and direct injected 3.0 liter six-cylinder. How about the curb weight? A lightweight (for todays BMW) 3207 pounds making this potentially one of the best drivers cars in the BMW lineup.

      BMW knows their main competition is the CLA45 AMG for this model so it will be an interesting showdown with the all wheel drive and dual clutch Benz. The M235i is rear wheel drive and available with a 6-speed manual transmission so will it be the car that is more fun to drive? Time will tell. Expect more details after the official reveal tomorrow. For now enjoy the pictures and details below.









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      1. Sticky's Avatar
        Sticky -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by whoosh Click here to enlarge
        Revitalized S54 making 350-375hp, NA
        But the S65 is lighter and can do 500 NA...
      1. whoosh's Avatar
        whoosh -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sticky Click here to enlarge
        But the S65 is lighter and can do 500 NA...
        Right, but there's no way they will do anything that good. Nobody would buy an M4 or M6 with that kind of a rocket available in the 2.
      1. Sticky's Avatar
        Sticky -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by whoosh Click here to enlarge
        Right, but there's no way they will do anything that good. Nobody would buy an M4 or M6 with that kind of a rocket available in the 2.
        There's no way they will do anything as good as what you suggested either... if we're dreaming, hey Click here to enlarge
      1. Autobahn335i's Avatar
        Autobahn335i -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by whoosh Click here to enlarge
        What the M2 should be:

        Revitalized S54 making 350-375hp, NA
        150lb drop in weight
        6mt
        rear lsd
        sport tuned suspension
        Upgraded brakes, carbon ceramic optional
        wide lightweight wheels
        widebody kit with aero, etc

        I'll eat my hat if they actually do anything near all of this.
        Pretty sure we'll get everything of this, except for a NA engine. Emissions regulations killed that for us Click here to enlarge

        And no need for carbon ceramic brakes. These are just overpriced pieces of marketing crap. If you need these to keep weight down, you designed the car wrong. I can see them as a prestige item on supercars, but not on everyday sports cars.
      1. Sticky's Avatar
        Sticky -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Autobahn335i Click here to enlarge
        Pretty sure we'll get everything of this, except for a NA engine. Emissions regulations killed that for us Click here to enlarge

        And no need for carbon ceramic brakes. These are just overpriced pieces of marketing crap. If you need these to keep weight down, you designed the car wrong. I can see them as a prestige item on supercars, but not on everyday sports cars.
        Come on man a bunch of companies make NA motors they can be VERY clean. The issue with BMW not doing NA is profit more than emissions.
      1. DavidV's Avatar
        DavidV -
        All big European car manufacturers have switched to turbo engines across all power level platforms.
        They are just easier to get clean for their power output.
        The N/A engines need al lot of R&D and are probaly not worth putting that much effort in for such a small platform.
        Expect a lot of small high power turbo engines as a spin off of the F1 1.6l V6 turbo engine for next year.
        In the coming years R&D on tat platform will trickle down the line to powerful production cars worldwide.
      1. Sticky's Avatar
        Sticky -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by DavidV Click here to enlarge
        All big European car manufacturers have switched to turbo engines across all power level platforms.
        They are just easier to get clean for their power output.
        The N/A engines need al lot of R&D and are probaly not worth putting that much effort in for such a small platform.
        Expect a lot of small high power turbo engines as a spin off of the F1 1.6l V6 turbo engine for next year.
        In the coming years R&D on tat platform will trickle down the line to powerful production cars worldwide.
        Porsche is the most glaring example of not switching. The GT3 has what it has for a reason.
      1. Autobahn335i's Avatar
        Autobahn335i -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sticky Click here to enlarge
        Come on man a bunch of companies make NA motors they can be VERY clean. The issue with BMW not doing NA is profit more than emissions.
        You surely wouldn't want an engine like the 200hp Toyobaru crap in your BMW Click here to enlarge And we won't see a LS3 V8 in an M2 either...

        In the latest SportAuto there's an article on the upcoming M4 where M chief developer (need to look up his name at home) explained the switch to a FI engine: NA has an advantage at full throttle in the high rpm range. But for 95% of the time, the engines are in part throttle/low rpm situations where FI has better efficiency and more torque.
      1. Sticky's Avatar
        Sticky -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Autobahn335i Click here to enlarge
        And we won't see a LS3 V8 in an M2 either...
        Maybe we should?

        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Autobahn335i Click here to enlarge
        In the latest SportAuto there's an article on the upcoming M4 where M chief developer (need to look up his name at home) explained the switch to a FI engine: NA has an advantage at full throttle in the high rpm range. But for 95% of the time, the engines are in part throttle/low rpm situations where FI has better efficiency and more torque.
        An M car isn't about low rpm situations or saving the polar ice caps. It's about the ultimate razor sharp driving machine. And 100% of the time an NA motor with individual throttle bodies will offer greater throttle response and a high rpm rush a turbo motor can't match.

        Is the E46 M3 CSL slower than the upcoming M4? Yep. Is it more exhilarating? We'll have to see but so far that car offers the best driving experience of any M car ever produced and that should be the focus. Not low RPM situations and emissions, leave that for the rest of the lineup that doesn't have an M badge on it.
      1. Autobahn335i's Avatar
        Autobahn335i -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sticky Click here to enlarge
        Maybe we should?

        An M car isn't about low rpm situations or saving the polar ice caps. It's about the ultimate razor sharp driving machine. And 100% of the time an NA motor with individual throttle bodies will offer greater throttle response and a high rpm rush a turbo motor can't match.

        Is the E46 M3 CSL slower than the upcoming M4? Yep. Is it more exhilarating? We'll have to see but so far that car offers the best driving experience of any M car ever produced and that should be the focus. Not low RPM situations and emissions, leave that for the rest of the lineup that doesn't have an M badge on it.
        Wow, would that be the first time ever you admitted that the E46 M3 CSL > E92 M3 GTS? Click here to enlarge

        Hell must be freezing over.

        I totally agree though, the CSL should be the benchmark!Click here to enlarge

        Throttle response and raw NA sound got sacrified on the altar of emissions. Fortunately the latest generations of turbo engines aren't half bad either.
      1. deemo319's Avatar
        deemo319 -
        The F22 M2 should have a detuned S55 or a slightly tweaked S54. And be a little lighter than the M235i, but bear in mind that BMW M GmbH's job is not to take weight out, but to not add any. So don't expect a drop in weight. It will have a 6-speed manual, probably lifted fromvthe F82 M4.

        It will be around 343hp to 350hp, but it is not what they say it is because we all know it will be pushing 380hp. The heaven-sent fender flares from the E82 1M will be there but with a new interpretation.
      1. Sticky's Avatar
        Sticky -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Autobahn335i Click here to enlarge
        Wow, would that be the first time ever you admitted that the E46 M3 CSL > E92 M3 GTS?
        The order would go CSL then GTS. But both cars are the best the M division has ever produced.

        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Autobahn335i Click here to enlarge
        Hell must be freezing over.
        You obviously haven't been paying attention I've always been a big fan of the CSL.

        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Autobahn335i Click here to enlarge
        Throttle response and raw NA sound got sacrified on the altar of emissions. Fortunately the latest generations of turbo engines aren't half bad either.
        And my point is the 911 GT3, Ferrari 458, and Gallardo all prove they don't need to be. Especially considering how much better these cars are to drive than, say, a 911 turbo.
      1. Sticky's Avatar
        Sticky -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by deemo319 Click here to enlarge
        The F22 M2 should have a detuned S55 or a slightly tweaked S54. And be a little lighter than the M235i, but bear in mind that BMW M GmbH's job is not to take weight out, but to not add any. So don't expect a drop in weight. It will have a 6-speed manual, probably lifted fromvthe F82 M4.

        It will be around 343hp to 350hp, but it is not what they say it is because we all know it will be pushing 380hp. The heaven-sent fender flares from the E82 1M will be there but with a new interpretation.
        For 344-350 horsepower BMW will just tweak the N55 instead to save money. They don't care any more. The 1M was their test run to see if they could get away with it and they can. Some people even are patting them on the back for selling out, unbelievable.
      1. DavidV's Avatar
        DavidV -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sticky Click here to enlarge
        Porsche is the most glaring example of not switching. The GT3 has what it has for a reason.
        And the exception that proves the rule all in one.
      1. deemo319's Avatar
        deemo319 -
        They don't care, what? If they do use a detuned S55, that was planned a long time ago. The development costs spread over more units makes sense, and then nobody can say it is not a real M car.

        BMW learned lot from the development and market reception from the E82 1M, and all of those lessons have been applied to the F22 M2. It will be a little beast.
      1. Sticky's Avatar
        Sticky -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by DavidV Click here to enlarge
        And the exception that proves the rule all in one.
        The GT3 is an exception? Weird that M used to take the premise the GT3 follows as their diehard law. $ corrupted them.
      1. Sticky's Avatar
        Sticky -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by deemo319 Click here to enlarge
        They don't care, what? If they do use a detuned S55, that was planned a long time ago. The development costs spread over more units makes sense, and then nobody can say it is not a real M car.

        BMW learned lot from the development and market reception from the E82 1M, and all of those lessons have been applied to the F22 M2. It will be a little beast.
        I agree with your premise but precedent states BMW will take the path of least resistance.

        I would HOPE they use an S motor in an M car or why call it an M car?
      1. Autobahn335i's Avatar
        Autobahn335i -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sticky Click here to enlarge
        The GT3 is an exception? Weird that M used to take the premise the GT3 follows as their diehard law. $ corrupted them.
        If you imply the GTS followed the GT3, then they failed miserably. Well, except for the price...

        The GTS was the biggest letdown of the whole E9x generation. I hope BMW learnt from that as well.

        or which BMW do you have in mind when you mention the GT3?
      1. Sticky's Avatar
        Sticky -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Autobahn335i Click here to enlarge
        If you imply the GTS followed the GT3, then they failed miserably. Well, except for the price...

        The GTS was the biggest letdown of the whole E9x generation. I hope BMW learnt from that as well.

        or which BMW do you have in mind when you mention the GT3?
        The GT3 isn't the competition for the 3-Series but the idea of how the GT3 is driver focused in its design including the motor is something the GTS and CSL follow regardless of price. Not sure what is hard to grasp there.
      1. rppwm3's Avatar
        rppwm3 -
        I think an M2 is in the pipeline but I think it is at least a year away since BMW execs have just started to hint it may be coming in press interviews. As I've said before on one of these threads I think there are two most likely options for engine choices for the M2: a more "real" 4 cyl turbo based on the N20 and extensively worked on by the M division or an N55 with a tune. BMW has a slight marketing problem in that they have given the M235i the N55 and it would be a little bit confusing to consumers to have a smaller motor in the most expensive model but they could still do so and make the driving dynamics of the car the primary selling point.