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    • DCT E90 M3 + supercharger = Easy 10 second car - ESS-Tuning VT2-650 M3 S65 V8 supercharger kit runs 10.89@127.8

      Some people still seem to doubt how potent the E9X M3 is with a little forced air. What you see here is an ESS-Tuning VT2-650 supercharged E90 M3 breaking into the 10 second 1/4 mile range with no drama. This is a four door car that can be daily driven but provide exceptional performance when necessary. This is not even the strongest supercharger option out there for the E9X M3's but what the run shows is that 10 second performance from an M3 with a supercharger is easily within reason.

      Expect to see more E9X M3's breaking into the 10's which is hardly considered a rare or difficult feat for the platform any longer.



      This article was originally published in forum thread: Ess 625 runs high 10 sec 1/4 started by bobS View original post
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      1. dzenno@PTF's Avatar
        dzenno@PTF -
        Excellent run. I was reading up some more info on the rod bearings that's constantly flooding in on another forum. @Sticky, you said BMW solved that in the later models. There are 2011 models as well with the same issues happening. I don't want to be a debbie downer when it comes to the S65 at all but that stuff just doesn't sound good at all.
      1. Sticky's Avatar
        Sticky -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by dzenno@PTF Click here to enlarge
        Excellent run. I was reading up some more info on the rod bearings that's constantly flooding in on another forum. @Sticky, you said BMW solved that in the later models. There are 2011 models as well with the same issues happening. I don't want to be a debbie downer when it comes to the S65 at all but that stuff just doesn't sound good at all.
        BMW did but people who didn't get the new bearings will obviously have the old ones. My recommendation is for someone to check with their dealer as to exactly what bearings they have and I highly recommend simply getting the VAC bearings to have peace of mind. VAC has a maintenance kit that fixes BMW's typical cheap ass mistakes: http://www.bimmerboost.com/content.p...il-pan-baffle)

        @Mike@VAC
      1. bigdnno98's Avatar
        bigdnno98 -
        I wouldn't call replacing rod bearings a "simple" task. nor cheap.

        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sticky Click here to enlarge
        BMW did but people who didn't get the new bearings will obviously have the old ones. My recommendation is for someone to check with their dealer as to exactly what bearings they have and I highly recommend simply getting the VAC bearings to have peace of mind. VAC has a maintenance kit that fixes BMW's typical cheap ass mistakes: http://www.bimmerboost.com/content.p...il-pan-baffle)

        @Mike@VAC
      1. Sticky's Avatar
        Sticky -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by bigdnno98 Click here to enlarge
        I wouldn't call replacing rod bearings a "simple" task. nor cheap.
        It was a simple recommendation. I didn't state it was cost effective. But it's far more cost effective than a new motor right?
      1. dzenno@PTF's Avatar
        dzenno@PTF -
        $800 for rod bolts and bearings plus labor...if you're not pulling the motor out, doing everything from the bottom, i'm guessing 10-12 hours? @Mike@VAC...what's the labour like to replace them on the S65?

        Maybe throw in the oil pan baffle while you're at it as well...

        Is there any concerns with the supercharger belt adding stress on the crank and associated hardware?
      1. bigdnno98's Avatar
        bigdnno98 -
        Sure, but the S65 isn't just bolt on a SC and run 10s though. Well it is until you spin a rod bearing and need $10k to rebuild the motor.

        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sticky Click here to enlarge
        It was a simple recommendation. I didn't state it was cost effective. But it's far more cost effective than a new motor right?
      1. Sticky's Avatar
        Sticky -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by dzenno@PTF Click here to enlarge
        Is there any concerns with the supercharger belt adding stress on the crank and associated hardware?
        It depends whose design you go with. Tightie made a great post on design differences in this respect between certain kits but it was deleted looks like... typical.
      1. Badinfluence's Avatar
        Badinfluence -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sticky Click here to enlarge
        So 10's are not impressive? Does someone need to swap a 6 speed into a GTR for it to be impressive?
        Were talking about the e92 platform.. Going off topic, certain cars its just not impressive.. W211 e55 , pdk 911 turbo, 6 spd manual 911 turbo awd, gtr, supercharged dct e92's.. Its not dct vs 6 spd comparison as you are making it seem. I just believe it's impressive when these cars hit 9's

        Something like hitting 10's in a 6 spd manual e46 m3 with a bolt on turbo kit,race gas and slicks. no launch control, no traction control, stock suspension. Just plain skill and practice in shifting n launching. Many other examples out there, I'm just using this one. It took years for anyone to achieve 10's.. Only one person came close which was a hpf stg 2 smg e46 m3.. He hit 11.1... So far i only know 3 people who hit 10's in the e46. Dude from over seas, marcus with hpf/pro efi set up and mike from maximum psi

        To answer your question No. An AWD 6spd manual gtr will not be impressive. It would be expected
      1. Sticky's Avatar
        Sticky -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by bigdnno98 Click here to enlarge
        Sure, but the S65 isn't just bolt on a SC and run 10s though. Well it is until you spin a rod bearing and need $10k to rebuild the motor.
        It is bolt on and run 10's, why not? If you didn't get BMW's updated bearings that is on you or your dealer. You need to have a bit of common sense and due diligence does not hurt.
      1. Sticky's Avatar
        Sticky -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Badinfluence Click here to enlarge
        Were talking about the e92 platform.. Going off topic, certain cars its just not impressive.. W211 e55 , pdk 911 turbo, 6 spd manual 911 turbo awd, gtr, supercharged dct e92's.. Its not dct vs 6 spd comparison as you are making it seem. I just believe it's impressive when these cars hit 9's

        Something like hitting 10's in a 6 spd manual e46 m3 with a bolt on turbo kit,race gas and slicks. no launch control, no traction control, stock suspension. Just plain skill and practice in shifting n launching. Many other examples out there, I'm just using this one. It took tears for anyome to achieve 10's.. Only one person came close which was a hpf stg 2 smg e46 m3.. He hit 11.1... So far i only know 3 people who hit 10's in the e46. Dude from over seas, marcus with hpf/pro efi set up and mike from maximum psi

        To answer your question No. An AWD 6spd manual gtr will not be impressive. It would be expected
        Ok I'll work on the 9's for you in particular. 10's apparently are no longer impressive these days because... well, you said so. We're talking performance on a level of a PDK Turbo which costs what? And you're doing it with a four door that is far sportier and more fun to drive than any other four door I can think of.

        Yes nostalgia regarding the 6-speed manual is great but it's 2013 and there are higher performance options. If we're discussing performance, which we are, might as well go with the best option to get performance on the platform which in this case is the DCT. For those who don't mind a few tenths here or there, there is the choice of the 6-speed manual.

        The E92 is a superior drag platform to the E46. Look at how quickly it got into the 10's and the power level it is doing it with compared to the E46 M3.
      1. dzenno@PTF's Avatar
        dzenno@PTF -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sticky Click here to enlarge
        It is bolt on and run 10's, why not? If you didn't get BMW's updated bearings that is on you or your dealer. You need to have a bit of common sense and due diligence does not hurt.
        When you say its on the dealer, you mean if your motor goes within warranty they get to replace it?
      1. dzenno@PTF's Avatar
        dzenno@PTF -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sticky Click here to enlarge
        The E92 is a superior drag platform to the E46. Look at how quickly it got into the 10's and the power level it is doing it with compared to the E46 M3.
        Agreed. DCT though with launch control is a HUGE part of it.

        What I'm really anxiously awaiting to see is the S55 manual cars with their new anti-lag setups and launch control. It might give the 6MT driver a fighting chance again Click here to enlarge
      1. Sticky's Avatar
        Sticky -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by dzenno@PTF Click here to enlarge
        When you say its on the dealer, you mean if your motor goes within warranty they get to replace it?
        They have to if it's within the warranty period. I also mean a dealer should update the bearings and you can have a dealer do this of course.
      1. Sticky's Avatar
        Sticky -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by dzenno@PTF Click here to enlarge
        Agreed. DCT though with launch control is a HUGE part of it.

        What I'm really anxiously awaiting to see is the S55 manual cars with their new anti-lag setups and launch control. It might give the 6MT driver a fighting chance again Click here to enlarge
        I doubt it the DCT will be the quickest with the M3/M4 especially considering there will be less loss of boost in between shifts but the 6MT will be the most fun.
      1. Mike@VAC's Avatar
        Mike@VAC -
        Properly equipped shops with properly trained technicians who have experience with BMW engines (prior s65 experience strongly advised) typically charge $2-2500 labor depending on their market.

        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by dzenno@PTF Click here to enlarge
        $800 for rod bolts and bearings plus labor...if you're not pulling the motor out, doing everything from the bottom, i'm guessing 10-12 hours? @Mike@VAC...what's the labour like to replace them on the S65?

        Maybe throw in the oil pan baffle while you're at it as well...

        Is there any concerns with the supercharger belt adding stress on the crank and associated hardware?
      1. Sticky's Avatar
        Sticky -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Mike@VAC Click here to enlarge
        Properly equipped shops with properly trained technicians who have experience with BMW engines (prior s65 experience strongly advised) typically charge $2-2500 labor depending on their market.
        And what would you say about supercharged S65 reliability?
      1. Mike@VAC's Avatar
        Mike@VAC -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by LostMarine Click here to enlarge
        no, ess has it 10.64@131
        Yep, 1SICKM beat our 93 octane/620 pulley-tune 10.69 run last year. to be fair, the records belong to the car owners, not the SC kit suppliers ;-)

        We wanted to go back to the track on 93 and 620 pulley as we thought we could break into the .50s THEN run a smaller '650' pulley and tune but that never happened...I guess there is still time this year - with trade show season being here its hard to catch a free minute!
      1. dzenno@PTF's Avatar
        dzenno@PTF -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sticky Click here to enlarge
        And what would you say about supercharged S65 reliability?
        In particular, stress a belt from a supercharges places on the crank and associated hardware
      1. Sticky's Avatar
        Sticky -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by dzenno@PTF Click here to enlarge
        In particular, stress a belt from a supercharges places on the crank and associated hardware
        Like I said not everybody has the same design in this respect. Some people took this into account.
      1. Sticky's Avatar
        Sticky -
        @Mike@VAC how difficult is it to integrate a dry sump setup with an SC? I may want to go after some roadcourse records (like the ring, seriously) so maybe we can work something out.