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    • 2015 W205 C63 AMG M177 4.0 liter V8 to be mated to a 7-speed MCT Speedshift automatic gearbox, no dual clutch transmission

      This is a bit of disappointing news providing that the report from Autocar is correct. BenzBoost announced some time ago that the next generation W205 C63 AMG would get a 4.0 liter twin turbo direct injected V8 internally named the M177. The question that remained was whether the C63 would get a dual clutch transmission or go with the 7G-MCT transmission the current 63 AMG models use. This transmission is based on a traditional automatic although with the torque converter replaced by wet multi-plate clutches.

      The transmission does not have one set of clutches for even gears and one set for odd gears so that the gear is already pre-selected for practically instant shifts. The advantage it does have though is in torque handling capability and as with the M157 engines that generate a good amount of torque the upcoming M177 twin turbo V8's output has Mercedes sticking with their tried and true 7G Speedshift trans.

      What is likely to happen is a similar scenario that the M156/M159 experienced in that the 63 AMG cars get the MCT trans whereas the higher end SLS AMG received a dual clutch gearbox. The M178 V8 that is based on the M177 but going into the AMG GT sports car that will battle the Porsche 911 will likely get a dual clutch box and have power sent to the rear wheels.

      The C63 may then have all wheel drive just like the CLA45 AMG little brother and the E63 AMG big brother. The CLA though does route its power through a dual clutch transmission but this is due to having a motor half the size of what will be under the C63 AMG's hood. The lack of a dual clutch is disappointing but due to the displacement advantage on its rivals this will not be a major performance disadvantage.

      This article was originally published in forum thread: 2015 W205 C63 AMG M177 4.0 liter V8 to be mated to a 7-speed MCT Speedshift automatic gearbox, no dual clutch transmission started by Sticky View original post
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      1. TT C6's Avatar
        TT C6 -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Jacob502 Click here to enlarge
        lol. As if AMG will lose shares over the likes of you. AMG will sell alot of these and they will be good without you, GURANTEED!

        I personally love the MCT. AMG inititally introduced it on my car , the 2009 SL63. It handles high torque very well and the shifting is lightining fast.

        Go back to your CTS-V, lol
        What transmission does AMG's premier performance car feature?
        What transmission is the current "standard of the world" for performance cars?

        I would love to meet your pompous ass at the track.
        Enjoy spending our money while it lasts.
      1. Jacob502's Avatar
        Jacob502 -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by TT C6 Click here to enlarge
        What transmission does AMG's premier performance car feature?
        What transmission is the current "standard of the world" for performance cars?

        I would love to meet your pompous ass at the track.
        Enjoy spending our money while it lasts.
        Go fuk yourself you arrogant douchebag!

        This is the second time you threw that comment and I did not say anything the first time!

        I'm spending MY MONEY, not yours , you cheap bastard!

        You speak as if the USA is our only customer, well it isnt buddy. You need oil, we give it to you for a very good price I should mention. Dont like it, dont buy it , we have other customers from Russia, UK, Japan and the rest of Europe waiting in line for it.

        Remember what King Faisal of KSA did to you in the 70's when he cut you out, where you were on bicycles? lol

        Again, I'm spending MY MONEY not yours.
        Your Money? Riiight

        Go back and remain on topic. I did not insult you in the past for you to be throwing these silly comments.

        Its pretty clear you dont like Arabs, thats fine, but keep it out of the forums. This is a car forum for car enthusiasts.


        You wanna meet me at track. Come to Qatar next month for the drag championship or come to Yas Marina in the UAE in March for the roll-on Event or the event that @Sticky is organizing, I want to see what you have for meClick here to enlarge
      1. LZH's Avatar
        LZH -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by TT C6 Click here to enlarge
        I stress upcoming specs.
        You troll me.
        We all have our issues I guess.


        No DCT, No worries. I'll just buy a S6.
        I recently drove the new AWD E63S and the S6 back to back and I would without a doubt choose the S6. I have a little S4 right now for zipping around town and I'm close to trading it in for the S6. Not to mention I get the Audi Friends and Family VIP discount and that's 15% off sticker and the ability to return the lease at any point and they just buy it back and I walk away if I want to. That peace of mind and the APR tune for the S6 make it very hard to pass up.
      1. LZH's Avatar
        LZH -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Jacob502 Click here to enlarge
        Go fuk yourself you arrogant douchebag!

        This is the second time you threw that comment and I did not say anything the first time!

        I'm spending MY MONEY, not yours , you cheap bastard!

        You speak as if the USA is our only customer, well it isnt buddy. You need oil, we give it to you for a very good price I should mention.
        If you are selling oil to the US as you stated above, then you ARE spending our money. But hey that's cool, when it all dries up you will be back to living in tents where you belong.
      1. TT C6's Avatar
        TT C6 -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Jacob502 Click here to enlarge
        You wanna meet me at track. Come to Qatar next month for the drag championship or come to Yas Marina in the UAE in March for the roll-on Event or the event that @Sticky is organizing, I want to see what you have for meClick here to enlarge
        If I met you in person, it would be to put you in your place, not to beat the $hit out of you, or to "race" your overweight luxury cruiser.
        Nothing is worse than an internet tough guy hiding behind his computer.


        I take my daily drivers to the track to determine the terminal velocity I paid for, not to race.
      1. TT C6's Avatar
        TT C6 -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by LZH Click here to enlarge
        I recently drove the new AWD E63S and the S6 back to back and I would without a doubt choose the S6. I have a little S4 right now for zipping around town and I'm close to trading it in for the S6. Not to mention I get the Audi Friends and Family VIP discount and that's 15% off sticker and the ability to return the lease at any point and they just buy it back and I walk away if I want to. That peace of mind and the APR tune for the S6 make it very hard to pass up.
        I prefer a lighter and more nimble car, and I think the S4 is the perfect size for a daily beater.
        I really want the S4 to get the S6 drivetrain.
        Since that probably won't happen, I was hoping the next C63 would get AWD and DCT.

        My dream car for a daily beater would be the current C63 with the addition of AWD and a DCT. or a ATS-V with a LSA, AWD, and a DCT because I love the LSx engine. (although, I don't like Cadillac interiors or exteriors)
      1. Sticky's Avatar
        Sticky -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by TT C6 Click here to enlarge
        I prefer a lighter and more nimble car, and I think the S4 is the perfect size for a daily beater.
        I really want the S4 to get the S6 drivetrain.
        Since that probably won't happen, I was hoping the next C63 would get AWD and DCT.

        My dream car for a daily beater would be the current C63 with the addition of AWD and a DCT. or a ATS-V with a LSA, AWD, and a DCT because I love the LSx engine. (although, I don't like Cadillac interiors or exteriors)
        The next gen S4 will get a variant of the 3.0 TFSI with turbos instead of a supercharger. It should be similar if not the same thing that Porsche is using.
      1. BlackJetE90OC's Avatar
        BlackJetE90OC -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by LZH Click here to enlarge
        I recently drove the new AWD E63S and the S6 back to back and I would without a doubt choose the S6. I have a little S4 right now for zipping around town and I'm close to trading it in for the S6. Not to mention I get the Audi Friends and Family VIP discount and that's 15% off sticker and the ability to return the lease at any point and they just buy it back and I walk away if I want to. That peace of mind and the APR tune for the S6 make it very hard to pass up.
        I thought Friends and Family discount was $300 over invoice? I have a buddy that works for Audi, never heard of 15% off msrp.
      1. Sticky's Avatar
        Sticky -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by BlackJetE90OC Click here to enlarge
        I thought Friends and Family discount was $300 over invoice? I have a buddy that works for Audi, never heard of 15% off msrp.
        15% is huge...
      1. TT C6's Avatar
        TT C6 -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sticky Click here to enlarge
        The next gen S4 will get a variant of the 3.0 TFSI with turbos instead of a supercharger. It should be similar if not the same thing that Porsche is using.
        That's why I am interested in the next C63.
        4.0L is better than 3.0L, although 5.5L would have been perfect. Click here to enlarge

        If this article is accurate, then the question that remains is will the C63 be lightweight enough to overcome the lack of a DCT?
        S6 vs C63?
        Decisions, decisions.
      1. Sticky's Avatar
        Sticky -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by TT C6 Click here to enlarge
        If this article is accurate, then the question that remains is will the C63 be lightweight enough to overcome the lack of a DCT?
        I just don't see how it will be anywhere near as light as the M3/M4.
      1. Jacob502's Avatar
        Jacob502 -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by TT C6 Click here to enlarge
        If I met you in person, it would be to put you in your place, not to beat the $hit out of you, or to "race" your overweight luxury cruiser.
        Nothing is worse than an internet tough guy hiding behind his computer.


        I take my daily drivers to the track to determine the terminal velocity I paid for, not to race.
        Hey douchebag,

        Where's your track data? please post them!

        my "overweight luxury cruiser" did this from 60-130mph:
        http://dragtimes.com/Mercedes-Benz-S...lip-25207.html

        Now what did you do?

        What do you drive again? I'm pretty sure my "Overweigtht" car will run you sideways lol
      1. Jacob502's Avatar
        Jacob502 -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sticky Click here to enlarge
        I just don't see how it will be anywhere near as light as the M3/M4.
        Don't worry about it bro, he is a complete idiot. Someone like you with high technical German Auto knowledge shoudnt be arguing with him. We shouldn't give him any advantage
      1. TT C6's Avatar
        TT C6 -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sticky Click here to enlarge
        I just don't see how it will be anywhere near as light as the M3/M4.
        who mentioned the M3 as a target weight for the next C63?

        As long as it weighs in around the S4, or less, it will be a success and satisfy my needs.
        If it weighted 100-200lbs less than the S4, I would feel better about not having a DCT.
      1. TT C6's Avatar
        TT C6 -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Jacob502 Click here to enlarge
        Don't worry about it bro, he is a complete idiot. Someone like you with high technical German Auto knowledge shoudnt be arguing with him. We shouldn't give him any advantage
        We were making that much power in our driveways in the 1990's in street cars that weighed 3300lbs.
        So, I don't understand why you think that stroking your family's checkbook for that in 2014 is something to brag about.
        But, that is a quick boulevard cruiser that anyone would enjoy.

        Calling me a douchebag and a idiot while behind the protection of your computer?
        Exactly what I expect from Qatar.

        You remind me of the foreign trust fund kids I used to give a real world education to on a ivy league campus while I was bouncing for extra cash in school. Thanks for the laughs.
      1. Jacob502's Avatar
        Jacob502 -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by TT C6 Click here to enlarge
        We were making that much power in our driveways in the 1990's in street cars that weighed 3300lbs.
        So, I don't understand why you think that stroking your family's checkbook for that in 2014 is something to brag about.
        But, that is a quick boulevard cruiser that anyone would enjoy.

        Calling me a douchebag and a idiot while behind the protection of your computer?
        Exactly what I expect from Qatar.

        You remind me of the foreign trust fund kids I used to give a real world education to on a ivy league campus while I was bouncing for extra cash in school. Thanks for the laughs.
        ahaa...

        As I expected, you low life motherfuker
        @Sticky, this is Andrew Cluck, the long forgotten bastard who is out of business

        Come to the UAE you piece of $hit and I'll show what I do outside my computer. btw, the customer that paid you 10K with nothing in return would love to see you face to face.

        You came to the UAE in the past, so whats holding you now since your such a "man" lol?
      1. Sticky's Avatar
        Sticky -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by TT C6 Click here to enlarge
        who mentioned the M3 as a target weight for the next C63?

        As long as it weighs in around the S4, or less, it will be a success and satisfy my needs.
        If it weighted 100-200lbs less than the S4, I would feel better about not having a DCT.
        Others have mentioned it but clearly its main competition will be lighter.

        I hope it is lighter than the S4 but...
      1. Sticky's Avatar
        Sticky -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Jacob502 Click here to enlarge
        ahaa...

        As I expected, you low life motherfuker
        @Sticky, this is Andrew Cluck, the long forgotten bastard who is out of business

        Come to the UAE you piece of $hit and I'll show what I do outside my computer. btw, the customer that paid you 10K with nothing in return would love to see you face to face.

        You came to the UAE in the past, so whats holding you now since your such a "man" lol?
        It isn't him and what is the point of internet threats?
      1. TT C6's Avatar
        TT C6 -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Jacob502 Click here to enlarge
        ahaa...

        As I expected, you low life motherfuker
        @Sticky, this is Andrew Cluck, the long forgotten bastard who is out of business

        Come to the UAE you piece of $hit and I'll show what I do outside my computer. btw, the customer that paid you 10K with nothing in return would love to see you face to face.

        You came to the UAE in the past, so whats holding you now since your such a "man" lol?
        I am not, and never have been, in the hi-po business.
        A few members here know me and my toys, but that is irrelevant.
        You are proving you have no clue, or class.

        But, feel free to keep flapping your jaw from behind the protection of your computer and the United States' military.
      1. Jacob502's Avatar
        Jacob502 -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by TT C6 Click here to enlarge
        I am not, and never have been, in the hi-po business.
        A few members here know me and my toys, but that is irrelevant.
        You are proving you have no clue, or class.

        But, feel free to keep flapping your jaw from behind the protection of your computer and the United States' military.
        Don't talk about class when you have none!

        Now, who do you know here again? that's right nobody.

        You made the same comment over on mbworld with "Shell URT" until the admins found out about you like the worthless dog that you are lol