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    • What happens when you line up a W212 E63 AMG S, M6 Gran Coupe, and Jaguar XFR-S for a drag rice? Watch and find out

      Here are three of the most powerful luxury sport sedans off the showroom floor one can purchase today. Now you may be asking, where is the Audi RS6/RS7 in this comparison? Oddly enough its omission makes sense as the E63 AMG S is only available for sale in the United Kingdom as a rear wheel drive car. This is in stark contrast to how the W212 E63 AMG is sold in the United States which is only in 4Matic all wheel drive form whether it be the standard E63 or the S model.

      Hey, you make sense of it. All the sedans in the video are rear wheel drive so it is somewhat of a fair game in a drag race. If you want to skip straight to the race go to the 12:55 mark in the video below.

      Here is how the cars stack up on paper:

      E6 AMG S: 585 horsepower 5.5 liter twin turbo M157 V8, MCT automatic, 4067 pound curb weight
      M6 Grand Coupe: 560 horsepower 4.4 liter twin turbo S63TU V8, DCT dual clutch, 4299 pound curb weight
      Jaguar XFR-S: 550 horsepower 5.0 liter supercharged V8, ZF automatic, 4380 pound curb weight

      So the Jaguar is the heaviest and the least powerful. The weight for the E63 AMG S is hard to believe as that is roughly a 400 pound difference between it and the 4Matic 63 AMG S models tested in the United States. We do not put too much faith in Drive's weight testing procedures as they are likely quoting given weights.

      Now Chris Harris takes these all out on the track but it's wet and provides no lap times so it amounts to nothing more than him babbling on and on about how they drift and feel. He actually even calls this almost irrelevant himself making for the most accurate piece of performance analysis he has ever done.

      The M6 just flat out pulls away from the others. It's the fastest car in the comparison and that is impressive considering the raw muscle of the E63 AMG S M157 is routed to the rear wheels and it isn't carrying the 4Matic weight. The Jaguar lags a bit behind the other two but is obviously quite quick itself.

      What were the times and trap speeds? Well, Drive did not provide them but at least provided some acceleration figures:


      This is a victory due to the M6's transmission and of course its use in combination with the excellent S63TU V8. If you are not a believer in the dual clutch performance advantage and think Mercedes AMG has BMW beat in performance simply due to more displacement, guess again.

      This article was originally published in forum thread: E63 AMG S vs M6 gran coupe vs Jag XFRS started by 5soko View original post
      Comments 54 Comments
      1. Iskinner67's Avatar
        Iskinner67 -
        sick vid
      1. BlackJetE90OC's Avatar
        BlackJetE90OC -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sticky Click here to enlarge
        Luxury toys aren't cheap.
        I agree. Beside styling, what exactly makes up the $22,000 premium over the M5.
      1. Sticky's Avatar
        Sticky -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by BlackJetE90OC Click here to enlarge
        I agree. Beside styling, what exactly makes up the $22,000 premium over the M5.
        BMW saying so. I have no idea.
      1. villeds's Avatar
        villeds -
        Honestly, I want to root for BMW, but I'm just not a fan of the gran coupe.. the e63 looks way more... well balanced to me. I would buy a m6 coupe though over a e63 but.. man the prices on e63s are decent
      1. 63Master's Avatar
        63Master -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sticky Click here to enlarge
        You're wrong.

        .
        He's Right bro!
      1. Sticky's Avatar
        Sticky -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by 63Master Click here to enlarge
        He's Right bro!
        I don't know why people are having trouble believing the data.

        The M5/M6 dyno more than the E63. They have a dual clutch. The comparison tests show the M5/M6 with the higher trap speeds.

        If some guys want to delude themselves and think the 63 somehow easily beats the M5/M6 there is no way to logically reason with them.
      1. ezec63's Avatar
        ezec63 -
        Hey @5soko though this vid was interesting its a tune only e63 racing gintanis shop m6 that put out 700 whp. The e63 wins but what is more interesting is you can see here the MCT in the Benz is shifting faster then the smgIII in the m6. You see they are tight in gear but each time the m6 shifts it loses considerable ground while the e63's shifts are almost instantaneous. Thought you'd be interested in this !
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        ezec63 -
      1. 5soko's Avatar
        5soko -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by ezec63 Click here to enlarge
        Tough to say from that video, looks the benz def has the more low end power to pull from the bmw regardless, im sure it makes a butt load more tq, but i see where the bmw falls back on the shifts.. Im sure that E has a tuned tranny? But for 700whp, gintani better re-work that car cuz its not performing on the street.

        Maybe next month we can all finally get together man.. Hopefully weather gets above freezing again and no snow! I wanna see that MCT in action!

        Here is a video of the same M6 vs a modded 640whp F10 M5 with DCT:
        With the M6 having more power and pull through the run, the SMG doesnt look slow, even with the F10 having a faster DCt tranny:

        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ig9euuT_5X4
      1. Sticky's Avatar
        Sticky -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by 5soko Click here to enlarge
        Tough to say from that video, looks the benz def has the more low end power to pull from the bmw regardless, im sure it makes a butt load more tq, but i see where the bmw falls back on the shifts.. Im sure that E has a tuned tranny? But for 700whp, gintani better re-work that car cuz its not performing on the street.

        Maybe next month we can all finally get together man.. Hopefully weather gets above freezing again and no snow! I wanna see that MCT in action!

        Here is a video of the same M6 vs a modded 640whp F10 M5 with DCT:
        With the M6 having more power and pull through the run, the SMG doesnt look slow, even with the F10 having a faster DCt tranny:

        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ig9euuT_5X4
        That's a long ass video man...
      1. 5soko's Avatar
        5soko -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sticky Click here to enlarge
        That's a long ass video man...
        My edit time juss ran out on my post, i meant to put skip to 7:50 min mark lol.. Hate 9 min of video with 5 sec of meaningful content..
      1. Sticky's Avatar
        Sticky -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by 5soko Click here to enlarge
        My edit time juss ran out on my post, i meant to put skip to 7:50 min mark lol.. Hate 9 min of video with 5 sec of meaningful content..
        I don't even know why anyone would think that's a good idea.
      1. ezec63's Avatar
        ezec63 -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by 5soko Click here to enlarge
        Tough to say from that video, looks the benz def has the more low end power to pull from the bmw regardless, im sure it makes a butt load more tq, but i see where the bmw falls back on the shifts.. Im sure that E has a tuned tranny? But for 700whp, gintani better re-work that car cuz its not performing on the street.

        Maybe next month we can all finally get together man.. Hopefully weather gets above freezing again and no snow! I wanna see that MCT in action!

        Here is a video of the same M6 vs a modded 640whp F10 M5 with DCT:
        With the M6 having more power and pull through the run, the SMG doesnt look slow, even with the F10 having a faster DCt tranny:

        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ig9euuT_5X4
        Yes very close race and surprised the E63 was that close ! I was more interested in the shifting since we were having this conversation a while ago and thought it was cool to see in action !

        Believe it or not the E63 does not have a tuned MCT .. it is tune only(ECU only no TCU tune) with filters ! Thats the point i was trying to make was that the delayed response from the paddle kind of covers up how fast this trans really does shift when you nail the shift or leave it in S+ mode.

        Yea man this weather is no joke i was finally able to get the car out this weekend after being snowed in my garage for 2 weeks and it looks like we have more coming. No doubt once it gets to a reasonable temp to be doing high end mexico runs ill be hitting you up !

        SMGIII is def not slow im not trying to come across as saying that I just wanted to show you that the MCT is a beast as well just have to get thru the paddle delay and get used to the shift points of each gear. Getting any more mods ready for the spring?
      1. 5soko's Avatar
        5soko -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by ezec63 Click here to enlarge
        Yes very close race and surprised the E63 was that close ! I was more interested in the shifting since we were having this conversation a while ago and thought it was cool to see in action !

        Believe it or not the E63 does not have a tuned MCT .. it is tune only(ECU only no TCU tune) with filters ! Thats the point i was trying to make was that the delayed response from the paddle kind of covers up how fast this trans really does shift when you nail the shift or leave it in S+ mode.

        Yea man this weather is no joke i was finally able to get the car out this weekend after being snowed in my garage for 2 weeks and it looks like we have more coming. No doubt once it gets to a reasonable temp to be doing high end mexico runs ill be hitting you up !

        SMGIII is def not slow im not trying to come across as saying that I just wanted to show you that the MCT is a beast as well just have to get thru the paddle delay and get used to the shift points of each gear. Getting any more mods ready for the spring?
        haha yea def interesting video and topic... Yea saturday is march 1st and this weather not leaving anytime soon. I took my car out first time in like 1 month, went to times square, made noise, put her back in the garage lol. No, i got what your saying, the paddle delay will really change the perspective of the shifts. Evolve tune is on my list, and some oem M6 rims, ( lighter then M5 rims and look better) Slow modder lol What is on your list man? Your coming close to no mods left on that thing lol