• APR versus Revo Technik MKVI Golf R tuning - Major APR superiority by 26.8 horsepower on same turbo?

    This dyno graph comes from an APR dealer (Ecotune Scotland) so please keep that in mind. Ecotune Scotland posted this dynograph comparing APR and Revo Technik MKVI Volkswagen Golf R's. In the words of the tuner the results here are 'embarrassing' for Revo Technik. It is difficult to disagree as the the two MKVI Golf R's dyno'd show a 26.8 horsepower difference between each other. APR was quick to pounce on this and promote it through their Facebook feed.

    Now, these are two different cars although both running the stock turbocharger. Additionally, it is a self-serving comparison. Without a full modification list for each Golf R it is difficult to know if it is just the tune accounting for the difference. Apparently the APR car had an upgraded fuel pump. That said, the APR air/fuel ratio does look smoother and is clearly more aggressive.

    The proper way to do this comparison is to have each tuner dyno tune the same car. Regardless, APR is a juggernaut and no doubt one of the best tuners available. This does make Revo Technik look very weak though despite being a flawed comparison and they have yet to respond. Graphs like this sway minds on forums and those swayed minds take their dollars to what they think is the better option.

    This article was originally published in forum thread: APR versus Revo Technik MKVI Golf R tuning - Major APR superiority by 26.8 horsepower on same turbo? started by Sticky View original post
    Comments 8 Comments
    1. chrisisnapping's Avatar
      chrisisnapping -
      If other golf-r didn't have a HPFP then this is just marketing propaganda and bull$#@!.


      You're spot on, need a full mods list.
    1. mj6234's Avatar
      mj6234 -
      I guess the APR vs REVO feud from 10 years ago is alive and well Click here to enlarge.
    1. Sticky's Avatar
      Sticky -
      Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by mj6234 Click here to enlarge
      I guess the APR vs REVO feud from 10 years ago is alive and well Click here to enlarge.
      More details?
    1. mj6234's Avatar
      mj6234 -
      It has been a while, but some of the engineers that helped found REVO left APR and moved over. There were accusations of IP theft, etc. I do recall REVO coming up with VAG tunes awfully quickly at the time. It was all well documented on the 'tex (unless they blackholed the threads at some point).

      I have owned both APR and REVO on VAG cars. REVO was lacking. In my mind they will always a second rate tuner when compared to an innovator like APR. The biggest mistake I ever made was not just getting the APR Stage 3+ for my 1.8T when I had it.
    1. Sticky's Avatar
      Sticky -
      Ok so Revo is made up of some ex APR guys? I like these kinds of background stories. I never frequent Vortex (I just don't like the layout) plus am just learning about VW tuning.

      It seems there is something to the APR superiority over Revo though. I also don't hear much about Revo and APR has new products every other week seemingly on every VW/Audi platform.
    1. mj6234's Avatar
      mj6234 -
      Here is the complaint from APRs site. It is still up after 11 years, which probably says something about how they feel about it. Like I said, I wouldn't even consider a REVO product even now. I think they are just a copy cat and wait for someone more intelligent (like APR) to figure out things and then mimic.

      http://www.goapr.com/revo/files/Stat...0Complaint.pdf
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      Sticky -
      Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by mj6234 Click here to enlarge
      Here is the complaint from APRs site. It is still up after 11 years, which probably says something about how they feel about it. Like I said, I wouldn't even consider a REVO product even now. I think they are just a copy cat and wait for someone more intelligent (like APR) to figure out things and then mimic.

      http://www.goapr.com/revo/files/Stat...0Complaint.pdf
      Repped, nicely done.

      If that is still up after 11 years there is bad blood. No wonder why APR was chest pumping this graph.

      Good stuff, thanks. I have some reading to do.
    1. chrisisnapping's Avatar
      chrisisnapping -
      I never knew about the APR revo beef

      however the statis, unitronic, Eurojet, and SPM one is pretty good.
      I wish I knew the full story on that though. All I know is there is one downpipe with like 3 or 4 brands of it.