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    SGC CL65 AMG overall Mercedes 1/4 mile record possibly set with nitrous despite claims otherwise?

    You all may recall that RennTech set the overall MB 1/4 mile record of 10.27@137 a couple months back. We were given a mod list by the owner SGC and Renntech of drag radials, higher stall torque converter, limited slip diff, custom exhaust, modified intercooler, carbon ceramic brakes, and race gas only tune. We couldn't understand how this car on stock turbos was trapping so much higher than other M275 V12 twin turbo cars. It would seem the answer is nitrous as a video has popped up showing the lines in the engine bay, check it out yourself.

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    He addressed this on MBWorld:

    http://www.mbworld.org/forums/w211-a...ml#post4699619

    The question is, do you believe him?

    A moderator on this very forum is vouching for his integrity.
    2004 E500 - Eurocharged ECU, VRP headers and E55 exhaust. #1 record holder on dragtimes (13.49@102.5)
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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Benz-O-Rama Click here to enlarge
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    He addressed this on MBWorld:

    http://www.mbworld.org/forums/w211-a...ml#post4699619

    The question is, do you believe him?

    A moderator on this very forum is vouching for his integrity.
    No, I do not believe him, sorry.

    Running those traps in positive DA never made any sense and this was mentioned. He out trapped cars with nitrous, how? Well, by running nitrous as well. It can't be done without nitrous based on EVERY slip we have seen thus far and based on that mod list that was presented.

    Sure, he has invited people which is a clever cover story. However, someone who was at the track did get a video of his car with nitrous lines in the engine bay so... the evidence is right there.

    Additionally, the only way to prove it now is to repeat the feat with someone there to actually check as that video has reduced any credibility he might have had.

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Benz-O-Rama Click here to enlarge
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    He addressed this on MBWorld:

    http://www.mbworld.org/forums/w211-a...ml#post4699619

    The question is, do you believe him?

    A moderator on this very forum is vouching for his integrity.
    Maybe someone else with nitrous experience can chime in, what do these lines look like to you?

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    Why would the lines be connected to the Fuel lines? If my memory serves me correct, meth doesnt need fuel to work. Am I missing something? Not hating on renntech or SGC but just shocked at the video showing the braided lines. Hmmm.

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by V12Godspeed Click here to enlarge
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    Why would the lines be connected to the Fuel lines? If my memory serves me correct, meth doesnt need fuel to work. Am I missing something? Not hating on renntech or SGC but just shocked at the video showing the braided lines. Hmmm.
    I think you are correct and I'm not super familiar with the M275 V12 but that sure looks like a good spot to drill for nitrous?

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    I find his traps to be questionable too.

    I am going to give him the benefit of the doubt though, for now. A friend of mine, blackbenzz, was constantly accused of running nitrous when he broke records. Which he wasn't. He too, had the nitrous lines run, but never had a bottle in the car.

    Amazing traps though. No doubt.
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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Benz-O-Rama Click here to enlarge
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    I am going to give him the benefit of the doubt though, for now. A friend of mine, blackbenzz, was constantly accused to running nitrous when he broke records. Which he wasn't. He too, also had the nitrous lines run, but never had a bottle in the car.
    BlackBenz I believe because what he was doing was based on his 60 foot and launch, abusing the torque converter essentially. His traps were not out of line, these are.

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sticky Click here to enlarge
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    BlackBenz I believe because what he was doing was based on his 60 foot and launch, abusing the torque converter essentially. His traps were not out of line, these are.
    Agree with everything here.

    I don't have access to his time slip right now, but what was is back 1/8th mph gain?

    That will tell a lot.
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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Benz-O-Rama Click here to enlarge
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    Agree with everything here.

    I don't have access to his time slip right now, but what was is back 1/8th mph gain?

    That will tell a lot.
    It's all on our 1/4 mile list but I don't think we got a slip, just a video: http://www.bimmerboost.com/showthrea...ding-Mile-list

    The slip is in the Video:



    1/8 108.99

    1/4 137.46

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    29mph is a big number for positive D/A, not impossible though.

    For comparison, my 11.1x times have a 25 mph gain on the back 1/2, in negative 1500ft D/A

    I have a 600 M275 though, not a 65. Those breathe better up top.

    What was Andy's 11.0x back 1/2 gains on his SL65?

    Forgive me for not checking, browsing on my phone.
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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Benz-O-Rama Click here to enlarge
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    29mph is a big number for positive D/A

    For comparison, my 11.1x times have a 25 mph gain on the back 1/2, in negative 1500ft D/A

    I have a 600 M275 though, not a 65.

    What was Andy's 11.0x back 1/2 gains on his SL65?

    Forgive me for not checking, browsing on my phone.
    Still, the affect of DA on a twin turbo V12 motor of the exact same design doesn't change just because you are missing a half liter of displacement.

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sticky Click here to enlarge
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    Still, the affect of DA on a twin turbo V12 motor of the exact same design doesn't change just because you are missing a half liter of displacement.
    Stock 65 snails have slightly larger impeller wheels too.

    But yeah....
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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Benz-O-Rama Click here to enlarge
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    Stock 65 snails have slightly larger impeller wheels too.
    I understand, but that doesn't turn positive DA into negative DA.

    It's interesting, that is for sure. The trap speeds never added up for me.

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    Interesting indeed...

    The truth always comes out. Whatever that may be.
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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Benz-O-Rama Click here to enlarge
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    Interesting indeed...

    The truth always comes out. Whatever that may be.
    That it does, that it does.

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    what do they normally trap with his setup?

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by MSIZZLE Click here to enlarge
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    what do they normally trap with his setup?
    http://www.dragtimes.com/Mercedes-Be...ag-Racing.html

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by V12Godspeed Click here to enlarge
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    That's a 7-9 mph gap, you don't create that out of thin air.

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    can one of the drag racing experts tell us how much hp it takes to p/u 9 mph??

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by MSIZZLE Click here to enlarge
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    can one of the drag racing experts tell us how much hp it takes to p/u 9 mph??
    From what speed to what speed?
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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by MSIZZLE Click here to enlarge
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    can one of the drag racing experts tell us how much hp it takes to p/u 9 mph??
    A 100-125 shot would do it.

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    We need to compare his previous runs(done at the same track I believe, but dont know both conditions) to his new record. I was suspicious when they first ran that record because as sticky said they gained more than a few mph with then said, no power mods. Gaining 2 or 3 mph from one record(renntech records) to the next is hard enough at those speeds. But to gain 5 + with no additional boost is hard to believe. RennTech has great r and d, I just have a feeling they know something that they are not sharing.

    Just scrolling the original thread I found this. SL65 with similar mods prior to record hitting 130 in cold air. That is with picking up 30 on the back half.
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    This has been the Million dollar question. I like Steve (SGC), we have exchanged various texts in the past and I am sure he is a nice guy, but myself having owned a 65 with full modifications identical to his...I managed to trap 128. The other car from member Marko, (white one) trapped 130 on a cold day and his car had a more advanced tune than mines since he was closer to speedriven, However we ran nearly the exact same ET's. I ran a 10.72 and he ran a 10.73,

    Steve's car however is picking up nearly 30 MPH in the back end of the quarter...that is astonishing. Discrepancy in MPH from my run and his is nearly 10 MPH, ...that is flying!!! His dyno made 700 whp with 800 something in torque, Marko and I made 700 rwhp and 900+ rwtq...

    Again big congrats to steve and my hats off to him but I am just having a hard time digesting the data and discrepancies between the runs. I know many will say DA affects the runs, absolutely but still should not be by this much. Who knows, perhaps the runs are legit and we are just pulling our hairs here. Doesn't matter what he used or didn't use, the point is the man ran 10.20's that is just to praise.

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Mike@MHP Click here to enlarge
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    We need to compare his previous runs(done at the same track I believe, but dont know both conditions) to his new record. I was suspicious when they first ran that record because as sticky said they gained more than a few mph with then said, no power mods. Gaining 2 or 3 mph from one record(renntech records) to the next is hard enough at those speeds. But to gain 5 + with no additional boost is hard to believe. RennTech has great r and d, I just have a feeling they know something that they are not sharing.

    Just scrolling the original thread I found this. SL65 with similar mods prior to record hitting 130 in cold air. That is with picking up 30 on the back half.
    You hit the nail in the head...How do you gain so much??? it justs didnt add up for me...and it's ok, it doesnt have to.

    At the end of the day it's SGC's car and he does as he pleases. If he chooses not to disclose any power adders, it's his decision. Life goes on.

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