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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by PEI330Ci Click here to enlarge
    I think a Red Bull with a fully functioning KERS, and an adaptation of the new W-Duct will be hard to beat.
    Not so sure about that.
    The 2011 car of RB was build around their blown diffuser, just like Mercedes has done with their implementation of the "double F-duct/DRS". Adrian Newey has adapted the car for 2012, but it lacks in raw speed, as shown in all qualifying sessions. It handles a lot better when heavier, like in a race with a lot more fuel.
    The 2011 RB car was not designed for KERS, and the system had to be given a place in a later stage of development, hence the awkward battery placement, which has given them a lot of malfunctions last year. Mostly in Webber's car, curiously enough.
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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by DavidV Click here to enlarge
    Not so sure about that.
    The 2011 car of RB was build around their blown diffuser, just like Mercedes has done with their implementation of the "double F-duct/DRS". Adrian Newey has adapted the car for 2012, but it lacks in raw speed, as shown in all qualifying sessions. It handles a lot better when heavier, like in a race with a lot more fuel.
    The 2011 RB car was not designed for KERS, and the system had to be given a place in a later stage of development, hence the awkward battery placement, which has given them a lot of malfunctions last year. Mostly in Webber's car, curiously enough.
    The batteries are still in the same place on the 2012 car. Ironically, that's where the W-ducting on the Merc is placed.
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    Was Redbull the only one using KERS?

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sticky Click here to enlarge
    Was Redbull the only one using KERS?
    No, last year all teams used KERS.
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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by DavidV Click here to enlarge
    No, last year all teams used KERS.
    And this year?

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sticky Click here to enlarge
    And this year?
    The same. The benefits of having KERS far outweigh the weigth penalty of driving around with the batteries.
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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sticky Click here to enlarge
    And this year?
    Srsly, why not do a bit of research and read up some articles on F1 racing, instead of asking these very basic questions? No need to artificially boost your post count.

    If you weren't teh Sticky, you'd get flamed away instantly.

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Autobahn335i Click here to enlarge
    Srsly, why not do a bit of research and read up some articles on F1 racing, instead of asking these very basic questions? No need to artificially boost your post count.

    If you weren't teh Sticky, you'd get flamed away instantly.

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    I think you overestimate what Americans know about Formula 1 and secondly, why would I go Google when I can have a discussion with people who know the topic? We are all here to learn and I prefer to learn from the members in a discussion.

    If we were in person I'd ask. Of course I could just google it but then I also don't get members perspectives. If this is me artificially boosting my post count I'll show you what real post whoring is if you like.

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sticky Click here to enlarge
    I think you overestimate what Americans know about Formula 1 and secondly, why would I go Google when I can have a discussion with people who know the topic? We are all here to learn and I prefer to learn from the members in a discussion.

    If we were in person I'd ask. Of course I could just google it but then I also don't get members perspectives. If this is me artificially boosting my post count I'll show you what real post whoring is if you like.
    Hehe, I know most americans aren't aware that racetracks can have both left and right turns Click here to enlarge

    So I guess the F1 races in Indianapolis don't help to promote F1 in the US as much as Ecclestone hopes for?

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Autobahn335i Click here to enlarge
    Hehe, I know most americans aren't aware that racetracks can have both left and right turns Click here to enlarge

    So I guess the F1 races in Indianapolis don't help to promote F1 in the US as much as Ecclestone hopes for?
    I don't think most Americans are aware of F1 and the race in New Jersey does not seem to be happening so I don't know what to say about American promotion. I'm only following F1 due to BenzBoost as I have to. I'm not aware of everything that has taken place up to this year so I might as well ask.

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sticky Click here to enlarge
    I don't think most Americans are aware of F1 and the race in New Jersey does not seem to be happening so I don't know what to say about American promotion. I'm only following F1 due to BenzBoost as I have to. I'm not aware of everything that has taken place up to this year so I might as well ask.
    Oh, you missed out big time! The 80's were golden!

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    Well Austin is still on the calendar, so F1 is coming to the US this year.
    It is indeed funny that Americans see a "racetrack" as a straight line.
    Instead of calling that a drag strip.
    In that perspective Mercedes could have been a USA company, for their high performance cars do best in a straight line.
    BMW is all about corners and handling.
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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Autobahn335i Click here to enlarge
    Oh, you missed out big time! The 80's were golden!
    I know, I was born in the 80's.

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by DavidV Click here to enlarge
    BMW is all about corners and handling.
    Not as much any longer...

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Autobahn335i Click here to enlarge
    Oh, you missed out big time! The 80's were golden!
    There were lots of great races, although I'm not a big fan of concrete wall streetcircuits.
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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sticky Click here to enlarge
    Not as much any longer...
    ?

    Not counting the X- lines, the last M versions hug the road pretty good.
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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sticky Click here to enlarge
    I know, I was born in the 80's.
    Ah, I thought you were a bit older Click here to enlarge

    Now I feel even older myself, being born in the 70's. Thx! Crap.

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by DavidV Click here to enlarge
    ?

    Not counting the X- lines, the last M versions hug the road pretty good.
    But they are big, fat, and overheat after a lap.

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sticky Click here to enlarge
    But they are big, fat, and overheat after a lap.
    Agreed, and the brakes are still crap. Even the huge brakes on the M5 overheat after a couple laps, as shown in various tests.

    Why doesn't BMW make a deal with a proper brake manufacturer, at least for the ///M models? On Porsche cars, you never have to worry about overheating brakes and fade...

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Autobahn335i Click here to enlarge
    Agreed, and the brakes are still crap. Even the huge brakes on the M5 overheat after a couple laps, as shown in various tests.

    Why doesn't BMW make a deal with a proper brake manufacturer, at least for the ///M models? On Porsche cars, you never have to worry about overheating brakes and fade...
    BMW brakes work well they just fade. This has been a complaint for.... forever.

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sticky Click here to enlarge
    But they are big, fat, and overheat after a lap.
    All exept the best of all, the 1M Click here to enlarge
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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sticky Click here to enlarge
    BMW brakes work well they just fade. This has been a complaint for.... forever.
    Erm, "work well" and "fade" don't go together in one sentence when talking about brakes Click here to enlarge

    Pretty much every M3 which is driven on a racetrack has been upgraded with a proper BBK. Which is just a statement of how bad the stock brakes are. Dwell in P-car forums, and you *may* eventually find people talking about swapping brake pads, and that's about it!

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Autobahn335i Click here to enlarge
    Erm, "work well" and "fade" don't go together in one sentence when talking about brakes
    I don't see why not. The brakes stop incredibly well. The problem is with doing this over and over and over. The issue isn't the stopping power, it's fade.

    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Autobahn335i Click here to enlarge
    Pretty much every M3 which is driven on a racetrack has been upgraded with a proper BBK. Which is just a statement of how bad the stock brakes are.
    New lines, pads, and rotors are all that are necessary to get the M3 track ready. BBK's are trendy.

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sticky Click here to enlarge
    I don't see why not. The brakes stop incredibly well. The problem is with doing this over and over and over. The issue isn't the stopping power, it's fade.
    New lines, pads, and rotors are all that are necessary to get the M3 track ready. BBK's are trendy.
    You're better off replacing the caliper as well, while you're at it lol. The floating piston design is crap and not suitable for a proper sports car. I would venture that even M3 buyers prefered to spend the $7k on something else than a "trendy" BBK.

    With BMW now entering the DTM, some kind of techology transfer to production models would be nice. Like the "Cecotto" E30 M3. But current DTM racecars are very far from street car specs. Hmm, there still is the Z4 GT3 programme or the M3 GT2 ALMS cars to get inspiration from Click here to enlarge

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Autobahn335i Click here to enlarge
    You're better off replacing the caliper as well, while you're at it lol.
    Well then you get a BBK. But the cost is huge versus doing what is necessary to get what you have track ready which can be done.

    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Autobahn335i Click here to enlarge
    I would venture that even M3 buyers prefered to spend the $7k on something else than a "trendy" BBK.
    Smart ones. That is likely why I am going all out with my motor and everything else and the brakes are more than enough for me.

    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Autobahn335i Click here to enlarge
    With BMW now entering the DTM, some kind of techology transfer to production models would be nice.
    I feel Porsche customers get the best transfer of racing technology to production models. BMW doesn't do this very well and definitely not as well as Porsche.

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