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    E60 M5 vs 09' CTS-V

    Last night I had a re-match with a friends 09' CTS-V automatic.

    Our last meeting...

    M5: RPi Scoops on my STOCK tune (extra passenger)
    V: Corsa Axle Back Exhaust

    My apologies for the camera work.. She tried lol




    FF to today

    M5: Evolve-R Stage 2 Tune, RPi Scoops, Muffler & Secondary Cat Delete
    V: Intake, Upper Pulley, Tune, Corsa Axle Back Exhaust

    The V is a beast with his new mods.. 11.632 @124.69 mph on stock tires



    Here you go guys.. On to last night Click here to enlarge

    09' M3 AA Gen 2 Level 2 S/C
    03' Viper Roadster- FBO
    10' X5M
    09' Cayenne GTS
    11' Jaguar XFR
    08' CLS63 AMG
    08' EVO X GSR- FBO
    13' F10 550i M Sport

    Past:
    07' C6 Z06
    11' M3 Comp DCT
    10' C63 AMG
    10' SVT Raptor 6.2
    12' BOSS 302
    11' E92 335i
    09' C63 AMG -
    01' C5 Z06- White, FBO+Cam
    11' E92 335is- Sapp Blk
    08' E82 135i- Sapphire Blk
    10' Audi S5 6-Speed
    04' SVT Lightning
    08' E90 335i 6-Speed- Blk
    08' C63 AMG- Blk
    09' CTS-V Sedan- Blk Raven
    06' E60 M5 SMG
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    Very nice runs. I liked the 70 roll lol!

    Any idea what you're trapping? Looks like you aren't too far behind 124.

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    Nice runs bro! Looks like you stopped his pull in that first race up top.
    ///M5 LCI
    "It's like the F10 is the 911 Turbo to the E60's GT3" -Pistonheads (M5 feature)

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by zeel Click here to enlarge
    Very nice runs. I liked the 70 roll lol!

    Any idea what you're trapping? Looks like you aren't too far behind 124.
    Thanks! I trapped 120.19 on my old motor. Not sure where it's at now. I'll try to get back out to the track sometime soon. I really need new rear tires before I do that though. Haha

    Keep in mind the SMG M5 isn't really a 1/4 mile car. I think 60-130 times are a better way to judge their hwy performance. I don't feel like my car is fast until I hit 4th gear at 100mph.


    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by 5soko Click here to enlarge
    Nice runs bro! Looks like you stopped his pull in that first race up top.
    Thank you sir! I did stop it right after he threw his flashers on me lol.. If you take a closer look, you'll see the road curving slightly to the left towards the end and he has the inside lane. I requested the 70 roll for run 2 and then got a reduced power/engine malfunction error for fuel pressure at the top of 4th gear.. You can hear it at 1:27 Click here to enlarge I'll get it figured out and re-run him again. I think I have him over 130 but it's very close.
    09' M3 AA Gen 2 Level 2 S/C
    03' Viper Roadster- FBO
    10' X5M
    09' Cayenne GTS
    11' Jaguar XFR
    08' CLS63 AMG
    08' EVO X GSR- FBO
    13' F10 550i M Sport

    Past:
    07' C6 Z06
    11' M3 Comp DCT
    10' C63 AMG
    10' SVT Raptor 6.2
    12' BOSS 302
    11' E92 335i
    09' C63 AMG -
    01' C5 Z06- White, FBO+Cam
    11' E92 335is- Sapp Blk
    08' E82 135i- Sapphire Blk
    10' Audi S5 6-Speed
    04' SVT Lightning
    08' E90 335i 6-Speed- Blk
    08' C63 AMG- Blk
    09' CTS-V Sedan- Blk Raven
    06' E60 M5 SMG
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    good runs...good comparo
    "We need to upgrade your skill before we upgrade your horsepower"

    -Tommy to Josh

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    (BONUS VIDEO) CTS-V vs Buick Grand National

    Same V vs a pretty nasty GN Click here to enlarge

    09' M3 AA Gen 2 Level 2 S/C
    03' Viper Roadster- FBO
    10' X5M
    09' Cayenne GTS
    11' Jaguar XFR
    08' CLS63 AMG
    08' EVO X GSR- FBO
    13' F10 550i M Sport

    Past:
    07' C6 Z06
    11' M3 Comp DCT
    10' C63 AMG
    10' SVT Raptor 6.2
    12' BOSS 302
    11' E92 335i
    09' C63 AMG -
    01' C5 Z06- White, FBO+Cam
    11' E92 335is- Sapp Blk
    08' E82 135i- Sapphire Blk
    10' Audi S5 6-Speed
    04' SVT Lightning
    08' E90 335i 6-Speed- Blk
    08' C63 AMG- Blk
    09' CTS-V Sedan- Blk Raven
    06' E60 M5 SMG
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    sounds like he was pedaling that GN...
    "We need to upgrade your skill before we upgrade your horsepower"

    -Tommy to Josh

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    Good runs

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    Bolt on roll on race battle between a BMW E60 M5 and a 2009 Cadillac CTS-V

    A bit of a mismatch here on paper simply due to the nature of the two motors. The E60 M5 has a naturally aspirated V10 already at the 100 hp per liter mark from the factory. So, in a fairly high state of tune stock. The CTS-V has the LSA 6.2 liter V8 which is supercharged and it is no shock to anyone it will gain more power with bolt on's than the M5 thanks to being supercharged from the factory. Still, an interesting comparison to see between the two cars and what they can do with bolt on modifications.

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    The CTS-V is said to have run the 1/4 mile as fast as 11.6@124.69. That is fast enough to deal with the vast majority of stock displacement S85 V10 out there that are naturally aspirated. It would take Schrick cams and headwork to bridge the gap but the costs start getting pretty high when eeking out those last naturally aspirated ponies. It is not as simple as pulley, tune, and axle-back exhaust like the CTS-V has thanks to its factory boost.

    For the outcome to be reversed, the M5 simply needs some boost of its own as in a supercharger. Still, the V10 hangs in quite well. Respect to the CTS-V as well for such high performance with basic mods. No wonder BimmerBoost and the GermanBoost network is seeing an influx of CTS-V owners who are switching from their German sedans.


    Thank you to @TZ04XJR for the video.

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    Sticky I see a 3-4CL win and 30+rwhp with long tubes and a de-cat on an M5 (being conservative). I don't think this M5 really needs anything other than some expensive headers, maybe some pullies and supporting tune.

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by onurleft Click here to enlarge
    Sticky I see a 3-4CL win and 30+rwhp with long tubes and a de-cat on an M5 (being conservative). I don't think this M5 really needs anything other than some expensive headers, maybe some pullies and supporting tune.
    That will help bridge the gap a bit, maybe even it up, but to win in naturally aspirated form it would take quite a bit.

    You do make a very good point about the headers. But the CTS-V can just run a more aggressive pulley...

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    Where are you from I feel you and me would make a great race. I went 11.78 at 121-122 last week on stock tires in my manual 3.31 5.0

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    That is an incredible job from the NA V-10 if you think about it. It has less displacement, no blower - and nearly is on par with the V. Incredible motor. V is nice too.

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    First run was nice! Look like the cadillac's pulled stopped and they just stood even.

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by inlineS54B32 Click here to enlarge
    That is an incredible job from the NA V-10 if you think about it. It has less displacement, no blower - and nearly is on par with the V. Incredible motor. V is nice too.
    Exactly

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Laloosh Click here to enlarge
    Where are you from I feel you and me would make a great race. I went 11.78 at 121-122 last week on stock tires in my manual 3.31 5.0
    Texas.. but My M is down now with some issues possibly related to my DME. I love the car but it's given me too many problems. As soon as It's healthy again, it's getting traded in for something else.

    I've never turned down a race though, It makes me sad that I would have to decline your offer even if you lived close. Click here to enlarge
    09' M3 AA Gen 2 Level 2 S/C
    03' Viper Roadster- FBO
    10' X5M
    09' Cayenne GTS
    11' Jaguar XFR
    08' CLS63 AMG
    08' EVO X GSR- FBO
    13' F10 550i M Sport

    Past:
    07' C6 Z06
    11' M3 Comp DCT
    10' C63 AMG
    10' SVT Raptor 6.2
    12' BOSS 302
    11' E92 335i
    09' C63 AMG -
    01' C5 Z06- White, FBO+Cam
    11' E92 335is- Sapp Blk
    08' E82 135i- Sapphire Blk
    10' Audi S5 6-Speed
    04' SVT Lightning
    08' E90 335i 6-Speed- Blk
    08' C63 AMG- Blk
    09' CTS-V Sedan- Blk Raven
    06' E60 M5 SMG
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    Thanks for the write-up @Sticky

    Sadly this might be the last time my M5 makes the front page Click here to enlarge I might make a compilation/memorial video with all my best runs. It could easily be the best E60 M5 street video ever Click here to enlarge

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    C6 Vette
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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by TZ04XJR Click here to enlarge
    Sadly this might be the last time my M5 makes the front page
    Why?

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sticky Click here to enlarge
    Why?
    It's down again with an issue I'm still diagnosing. I was running my friends GTR and I got limp mode with an error for my crank position sensor. I've already tried a cheap ass Autozone sensor that will allow my car to start but idles like crap and then will stall and leaves me with a battery too weak to re-start. I then tried a OEM BMW crank sensor and the thing wont even start. I put the cheap sensor back in and I'm still chasing down the problem. I've been out of town for work so the process is taking quite a while. It seems to be either a voltage issue or possibly a problem with my DMC/ECU. I'm not just guessing though, It could be ANYTHING with this thing.

    When she's running again it's going to the dealer for trade in.. Click here to enlarge
    09' M3 AA Gen 2 Level 2 S/C
    03' Viper Roadster- FBO
    10' X5M
    09' Cayenne GTS
    11' Jaguar XFR
    08' CLS63 AMG
    08' EVO X GSR- FBO
    13' F10 550i M Sport

    Past:
    07' C6 Z06
    11' M3 Comp DCT
    10' C63 AMG
    10' SVT Raptor 6.2
    12' BOSS 302
    11' E92 335i
    09' C63 AMG -
    01' C5 Z06- White, FBO+Cam
    11' E92 335is- Sapp Blk
    08' E82 135i- Sapphire Blk
    10' Audi S5 6-Speed
    04' SVT Lightning
    08' E90 335i 6-Speed- Blk
    08' C63 AMG- Blk
    09' CTS-V Sedan- Blk Raven
    06' E60 M5 SMG
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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by TZ04XJR Click here to enlarge
    It's down again with an issue I'm still diagnosing. I was running my friends GTR and I got limp mode with an error for my crank position sensor. I've already tried a cheap ass Autozone sensor that will allow my car to start but idles like crap and then will stall and leaves me with a battery too weak to re-start. I then tried a OEM BMW crank sensor and the thing wont even start. I put the cheap sensor back in and I'm still chasing down the problem. I've been out of town for work so the process is taking quite a while. It seems to be either a voltage issue or possibly a problem with my DMC/ECU. I'm not just guessing though, It could be ANYTHING with this thing.

    When she's running again it's going to the dealer for trade in.. Click here to enlarge
    bad alternator?

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by TZ04XJR Click here to enlarge
    It's down again with an issue I'm still diagnosing. I was running my friends GTR and I got limp mode with an error for my crank position sensor. I've already tried a cheap ass Autozone sensor that will allow my car to start but idles like crap and then will stall and leaves me with a battery too weak to re-start. I then tried a OEM BMW crank sensor and the thing wont even start. I put the cheap sensor back in and I'm still chasing down the problem. I've been out of town for work so the process is taking quite a while. It seems to be either a voltage issue or possibly a problem with my DMC/ECU. I'm not just guessing though, It could be ANYTHING with this thing.

    When she's running again it's going to the dealer for trade in.. Click here to enlarge
    That's pretty frustrating I don't understand your string of bad luck.

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by inlineS54B32 Click here to enlarge
    That is an incredible job from the NA V-10 if you think about it. It has less displacement, no blower - and nearly is on par with the V. Incredible motor. V is nice too.
    You guys have to remember high rolls elimate the huge torque difference between the cars. Not taking anything away it's def a good run. A lower roll 25-35 to those speeds would've resulted I'n a larger gap between the 2. Awesome runs though. Thanks for sharing!

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by E55amgg04 Click here to enlarge
    You guys have to remember high rolls elimate the huge torque difference between the cars. Not taking anything away it's def a good run. A lower roll 25-35 to those speeds would've resulted I'n a larger gap between the 2. Awesome runs though. Thanks for sharing!
    Yeah, but you aren't thinking of gearing - the torque to the ground is what matters. Just to put things into perspective, the M3 has more torque to the ground in 1st and 2nd gear than the last model Z06... It's not about torque at the crank, but power at the wheels. The whole point of having a flat torque curve coupled with a high redline is to take advantage of this (gearing). Torque and RPM are equally important, I would even say RPM is more advantageous than TQ (less shifts). HP = [TQ x RPM] / 5252 - in other words, having one more RPM is the same as adding a ft-lb of torque. The CTS-V uses torque to make power, the M5 uses both RPM and moderate torque.

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by inlineS54B32 Click here to enlarge
    Yeah, but you aren't thinking of gearing - the torque to the ground is what matters. Just to put things into perspective, the M3 has more torque to the ground in 1st and 2nd gear than the last model Z06... It's not about torque at the crank, but power at the wheels. The whole point of having a flat torque curve coupled with a high redline is to take advantage of this (gearing). Torque and RPM are equally important, I would even say RPM is more advantageous than TQ (less shifts). HP = [TQ x RPM] / 5252 - in other words, having one more RPM is the same as adding a ft-lb of torque. The CTS-V uses torque to make power, the M5 uses both RPM and moderate torque.
    Racing a tune/pulley supercharged vehicle such as the w211 e55 or cts-v on a low roll will result a hard pull from the start, there is no question about that. On a high roll race is where high rpm advantage comes into play as you are saying. If these 2 cars start at 25mph the V is going to take a much bigger lead. Starting at a higher roll race is in favor of the e60 which results to a closer race.

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by E55amgg04 Click here to enlarge
    Racing a tune/pulley supercharged vehicle such as the w211 e55 or cts-v on a low roll will result a hard pull from the start, there is no question about that. On a high roll race is where high rpm advantage comes into play as you are saying. If these 2 cars start at 25mph the V is going to take a much bigger lead. Starting at a higher roll race is in favor of the e60 which results to a closer race.
    Ya man you're right.

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