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    Question Piggy back for non M

    So for those that have followed my build, I have had all kinds of trouble with stock ecu tuning. Probably too many hands in the cookie jar at this point.Click here to enlarge


    I have done an extensive search for an effective management system. I need a piggy back system.:hmm:


    AEM FIC (tried, ECU is too smart)
    HPF AEM V2 - not paying $1000 to unlock (plus purchase price)
    HALTECH - doesn't control dual vanos
    MORISTECH - doesn't control dual vanos (and no tuner)
    ViPEC - way out of budget!!!!


    MAP ECU 3 - appears to be a great product, but no one has tuning experience with it.


    So that only leaves proEFI, but a new system is way out of budget.





    Who else has one?:eeps:

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    Specifically, what non-M are you looking to tune?
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    2004 330 ms45 software

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    Whats done/what I have...


    M30B54 ported head
    Cometic mls head gasket (lower compression)
    ARP studs
    Custom camshaft (260/268)
    ESS twinscrew supercharger 1.6
    Custom 88mm throttle body
    Custom intake
    Okada plasma lift
    Ceramic header and heat wrapped
    Custom pulley 15psi
    800cc Bosch injectors
    400lph fuel pump
    Secondary air delete
    Nx express methanol kit


    ZHP 6 speed conversion
    4.10 LSD
    ZHP short shifter

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    Pectel not on your list? Or Pro-EFI? You can use them in conjunction with the stock ECU I believe.

    Edit just saw too expensive. Well... no way to get around this then. Have to pay if you want it...
    Stage 2 or 2.5 E9X M3 S65 V8 supercharger kit for sale: http://www.boostaddict.com/showthrea...r-kit-for-sale

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    Heh we are in similar positions. My setup will be Pro EFI eventually. How soon is eventually is yet to be determined by other data I lack. Click here to enlarge

    Please let me know what you end up doing. NickG has let me know he doesn't do custom setups, so unfortunately h can't work his magic on the MS45. Click here to enlarge

    -Matt

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    I decided to go with the MAP ECU 3...got great reviews, quite inexpensive and great software. It has been used on acouple bmw's but not on MS45 from what I researched. At the price I'm willing to give it a try...

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    MAP ECU 3? Never heard of it.
    Stage 2 or 2.5 E9X M3 S65 V8 supercharger kit for sale: http://www.boostaddict.com/showthrea...r-kit-for-sale

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Diablorojo Click here to enlarge
    Definitely priced well just haven't seen much feedback for it.
    Stage 2 or 2.5 E9X M3 S65 V8 supercharger kit for sale: http://www.boostaddict.com/showthrea...r-kit-for-sale

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    Found the manufacturer website:

    http://www.mapecu.com

    Wifi tuning is nice. Click here to enlarge

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    Maybe it's just me, but a standalone ECU isn't exactly something you go in looking for the cheapest buy (maybe the less expensive option, but not cheapest) and the fact that a COBB AccessPORT for the N54 cost more than this standalone is a bit concerning to me (at least).

    Then again, you did start this thread with the intention of looking for a Piggyback option, so this is appropriate. This MAP-ECU 3 sounds identical to the AEM piggy in the HPF cars, but I honestly don't know how comfy I'd feel if you're using this to manage your NOS delivery. Luckily this is a supercharger build, so boost should be 100% RPM dependent.
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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by benzy89 Click here to enlarge
    Luckily this is a supercharger build, so boost should be 100% RPM dependent.
    You missed that it's a twinscrew. Full boost will be there by 2500 RPMs. This is why twinscrews are awesome. Click here to enlarge

    -Matt

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by mdrobnak Click here to enlarge
    You missed that it's a twinscrew. Full boost will be there by 2500 RPMs. This is why twinscrews are awesome. Click here to enlarge

    -Matt
    Fair, but you'll put whatever sized pulley on there & will always get XX psi of boost. It's not like a turbo setup where you'll constantly have to be mindful that you are hitting your boost target, and not under/overshooting.
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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by benzy89 Click here to enlarge
    Fair, but you'll put whatever sized pulley on there & will always get XX psi of boost. It's not like a turbo setup where you'll constantly have to be mindful that you are hitting your boost target, and not under/overshooting.
    Gotcha. With the exception of atmospheric changes, you're absolutely right.

    -Matt

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    Also, wouldn't evolve be able to handle this? I don't think a piggyback is going to get the results you're looking for with a custom cam.

    -Matt

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by mdrobnak Click here to enlarge
    Also, wouldn't evolve be able to handle this? I don't think a piggyback is going to get the results you're looking for with a custom cam.

    -Matt
    I imagine that Evolve would be capable of doing this, especially since they've retuned ESS' hardware. But I don't think they'd be willing to tune for Methanol, just run it like Active Autowerke to keep IATs down (a piggy has the advantage here b/c it'll advance timing with the Meth injection).

    Depends what the OP is looking for tho & if Evolve can tune on the M54 (they only have the N52 330 on their website).
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    Evolve doesn't do M54. My build is actually a twin charged build, currently, I need the car to run as is. Last step is the remaining hardware I have for the rear mount turbo (11psi on SC 9 psi on T72). This ECU gives me a little more control than the AEM.

    Im also moving more air than the regular set up because I have a TB that's 2/3 larger than stock, on top of everything else so a purchased tune is not an option. I'm not going for mind blowingly insane numbers. More so a great dyno curve with street able, usable power (turbo at 4200 rpm).

    From the write up, this unit is more than capable...but, the proof is in the pudding. The car is already at the tuner, just waiting for the unit to arrive.

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    As far as price, well it's economics, the demand will drive the price so those units while reputable, still have an extreme mark up!!! I'll give the new kid a chance (map ECU 3) before they realize the value Click here to enlarge

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