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    Is marriage a bad business decision?

    Not that I am planning on getting married anytime soon but I ran across this after listening to a podcast where they talk about Steve Nash's ex-wife taking him to court for more money for "child support" after already receiving $5 million from him. Never saw the $#@! score a single $#@!ing basket.

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    Why Modern, Western Marriage Has Become A Bad Business Decision For Men

    This writing seeks to educate men about the realities of what they may be getting into when they marry a Western Woman. An informed decision is less likely to be one that may be regretted later in the marriage. The intent is not to dissuade men from marrying, but to encourage them to communicate frankly their concerns and expectations regarding marriage with their potential spouses. The secondary aim of this essay is to enlighten women to a few of the reasons why increasingly larger numbers of successful, eligible, unmarried men, who would otherwise prefer monogamous long-term relationships, are turning their backs on marriage.

    Society typically paints a negative stereotype of men who hesitate, delay, or elect not to marry.


    They are labeled as either:


    A) Womanisers who are unable to participate in a long term relationship, or
    B) Selfish, childish or irresponsible men who can not take care of themselves or another person.


    No other explanation is ever explored.


    The cost of proclaiming your undying love
    In University, in professional sports, in politics, in the workplace; women have the same educational and professional career opportunities as men. Contrary to commonly believed feminist propaganda, women do indeed get paid the same salary as men, given that they are willing to work the same types of jobs as men, and work as many hours as the men do. Despite this reality, many women come into marriage with very few assets, and often are saddled with substantial quantities of debt. In general, men are the ones who save and invest. Don’t believe me? Count the number of women of marrying age that you know who subscribe to financial services magazines or newspapers. A significant number of 20-something and 30-something women spend all of their disposable income on luxury rental apartments, upscale restaurants, frequent exotic vacations, leased cars, spa treatments, and excessive amounts of clothing, purses, shoes and accessories. Yet ironically, in the media, men are the ones who are portrayed as reckless, irresponsible spendthrifts.

    When marriage enters the picture, double standards and financial imbalances leave responsible men to pick up the slack and fix the mess she may have made of her finances. Men are forced to spend their hard-earned savings, or take out an usurious loan, on a diamond ring. Women justify this relatively recent, mid-20th Century ritual, which was spawned by a brilliant 1940′s mass-brainwashing campaign launched by DeBeers, by insisting that a man wants to buy her a diamond and that it makes him proud to be able to proclaim his love and affection towards her in this fashion. Granted there are some men who may be inclined to declare their commitment to a life-long partner in this way, but there are plenty of men whom seek a lifelong partnership and commitment who have no interest in buying diamonds. What choice do these men have? None! To many young men, the ring, catered wedding, and honeymoon in an exotic locale at a five-star hotel is an unwelcome land mine on their journey towards adult financial stability and independence. To add insult to injury, he is now locked into a lifetime of insurance payments for this grossly overpriced jewelry. Contrary to popularly held belief diamonds are not rare at all, but instead are common and inexpensive. Their high price is due to their supply having been artificially manipulated. Some men are more concerned with realising their dream of owning a home and becoming financially stable enough to begin a family and responsibly provide for their welfare. Men worry about these matters, because, ultimately, it becomes their sole responsibility.

    The purchase of the diamond ring is a predictor of things to come. Immediately after buying it, the man may be rewarded with bridal demands to finance all or part of a lavish wedding, depending upon the size of his bank account and the ambitions of his fiancée. The average costs of today’s Western Weddings frequently exceed that of a house down payment or, in certain parts of the world, the entire cost of the house itself. If a man enters a marriage having saved up a down payment for his dream home, it can suddenly be snatched right out from underneath him. Many men may object to spending such a large sum of money on what is basically a very expensive one-day, four-hour party. He also will be spending a year of his life planning it, when he could use the same time to further his career or education. However, what a man wants is really not of any concern anymore at this point in the proceedings. His wants, desires, hopes and dreams are ignored almost in their entirety. Her opinions regarding the wedding are frequently non-negotiable. A wedding is no longer an event that is equally for the bride and groom. As many of today’s Bridezilla’s will gleefully remind you, “Today is MY day!”. This gives her licence to become selfish, irresponsible, demanding and childlike. A man who balks at spending his entire life savings, or shouldering a five-figure debt load, for the ring, catered wedding and honeymoon in an exotic locale at a five-star hotel, can and will be labeled as a selfish cheapskate or not a “Real Man”. If a woman leaves such a man for him suggesting that they try to keep their costs under control, she would have the full support of everyone around her as she dumped him.

    “She can do better”, “Clearly, he doesn’t love her”, “He doesn’t deserve her”, and similar sentiments will be muttered in quiet circles just out of his earshot. This is a sign of her good self-esteem and healthy self-image, and a sign that she won’t settle for anything less. She is the poster girl for the Modern, Independent Woman.

    Imagine if a man demanded equal treatment and asked that she buy him a new bass boat, and a two-week bear hunt in Siberia as a condition of marriage. This would be viewed as absurd, yet women do it every day. Modern Western Marriage is supposedly an equal partnership, isn’t it?

    The injustices go from bad to worse when children enter the picture. If he can afford to carry the entire familial financial burden, the woman may now elect to stop working entirely. She will often make this decision regardless of how he may feel about it. The day she stops working is the day that all of her past financial baggage unequivocally gets tossed onto his shoulders. If the woman has racked up substantial credit card debts, these are now his payments to make; if the woman has not bothered to pay off her student loans, these become his responsibility; if she owes an enormous sum on her luxury car note, it is up to him to pay it off. Irony of ironies is that he is now paying for her degree and she isn’t even working anymore! Can he object? Can he say: “No Honey, you made your mess, and it should not be my job to clean it up. You knew that you wanted kids even before you met me, and you should have planned ahead.” No, he cannot. The payments can’t be deferred until she is once again able to continue repaying them herself, not if he wants to retain a clean credit rating to get a loan for their dream home. If he even suggested that she return to work to pay off some of her own debt load, he opens himself to criticisms of being an unsupportive husband and bad father who is endangering the welfare of his children. Now the noose tightens and the responsible husband compensates for the mother’s freewheeling and irresponsible past, and begins slowly to pay off her old debts. In the most twisted turn of events yet, the debt he is paying off may often be on credit cards used to finance Vacations, Hotel Rooms and Christmas gifts shared with previous husbands, boyfriends, fiancés and lovers. Caveat Emptor! This is the reward for today’s man who works hard, makes sacrifices, plans ahead, and invests wisely. By getting married to the typical Modern, Western Woman, the man is certainly susceptible to being railroaded into this situation, because it is completely acceptable within today’s gender roles and societal norms.

    Marriage can mean career slavery

    Anyone who says, “Slavery is dead” clearly has not contemplated the predicament of the average Western Husband, where a good paycheck can mean career slavery. Merriam-Webster’s English Dictionary defines slavery as “…(T)he state of a person who is a chattel (an item of tangible movable or immovable property) of another person.” If the husband earns enough to support both of them, he would be hard pressed to make an argument to preserve equality and have her continue working as he does. If the wife decides to stop working, the man who has been left holding the financial bag finds his options very limited. He may find himself working in a career that he hates, for abusive and exploitative management, excessively long hours, in a position that is physically dangerous or demanding, in an organisation that has no growth potential, far away from home. At this point, considering the corner he’s been painted into, he is often powerless to affect any positive, meaningful change in his own life. He may have been harbouring delusions that once his wife was able to return to work, he would be able to gain some flexibility to rectify some of the shortcomings in his own career. Perhaps changing careers or accepting a lower salary at a different firm in exchange for better hours, a shorter commute, or more fulfilling work. Nevertheless, the distinct reality is that he will continue to shoulder the financial responsibilities of his family alone. His reward for working hard and getting ahead is to become trapped into his career, and become a specialised beast of burden to an emotionally and financially dependent family. Does it really pay to work hard anymore and apply oneself to his full potential?

    If she stops working, she may never work again.

    There are many debates about the merits of a stay-at-home mother vs. a working mother. My goal here is to simply educate the prospective husband on frequently unseen risks he is taking on when he agrees to accept 100% of the financial burden to allow his wife to stay at home. An informed decision is less likely to be one that may be regretted later in the marriage.

    Every parent will agree that staying home with children is backbreaking and often mind-numbing labour. Many new fathers may concede that it is much easier to go to work than to stay at home with several children. However, the greatest imbalance in efforts and contributions to a marriage can manifest once all of the children are of school age. The house is now empty from 8am-3pm. The wife has 7 hours to herself while the kids are at school and the husband is at work. After a few years of hard work at home, many wives may feel entitled to “kick back” and take it easy. The good, supportive husband, however, has worked those same years, has done his 50/50 of the housework, and is still working just as hard to support the family once the kids are in school. His workload has not diminished, and it may have even increased as her expectations rise. He is rarely afforded the same option to scale back his daytime efforts.

    What motivation does the modern wife have to return to work? Very little. For several years now, the man’s salary has been enough to live on. Otherwise, she would have been working to make ends meet. Unless tight finances dictate that she must return to work, the husband really has little say in this matter. The wife can hide behind many different excuses in order not to work, despite having little to do from 8am-3pm. Among the commonest are:

    “I’m busy with the housework”

    It is easy to exaggerate the labours of daily housework. Yet how long does it take to throw clothes or dishes into the washer, and remove them later? Vacuuming can be done in 1 hour a week. Grocery shopping is another hour per week. A decent meal can be prepared in under an hour. Does all of this add up to 7 hours a day? The lie that housework is hard, time-consuming drudgery is no longer as persuasive as it may have been in the past, because in an age of later marriage, many men are already experienced in cooking, cleaning, and general housekeeping and know that it doesn’t take that much effort or time. Humourously, not every stay-at-home-wife even performs all of these duties.


    “I can’t find a job”

    She has been out of work too long, and therefore is unable to find a job. This may be true, but many men do not consider this risk when they agree to support her while she “temporarily” stops working. Hopefully now they will, and can make a more informed decision. Many wives may use this as a convenient scapegoat to stop looking for any job at all. The next section describes how this can be used against him in the event of divorce.


    “It doesn’t pay for me to work”

    In the short run, the expenses of returning to work such as gas, lunch, clothes and day care may not make it worthwhile for her to return to the workforce. This may be true, but does that justify her playing tennis, drinking lattes and ‘catching up with her friends’ while her husband toils away? Many couples may be too shortsighted to thoroughly and comprehensively think through this issue. Initially, the cost to benefits ratio may not be ideal, but her returning to work will improve her job skills and network of contacts and over time the return on investment will improve. More so than strolling through the local mall every afternoon and window-shopping for new window treatments. Over time, as her career gets back on track, and she becomes qualified for better jobs, her salary should also improve.


    It should be duly noted that some working wives view their salary as “personal spending money”, and still expect the man to pay all or most of the bills. Western Women are often heard to claim that, “What’s mine is mine, and what’s his is ours.”

    Even more unfair double standards that favour wives

    Cheating

    If a married man cheats, he’s the scum of the earth. He is a selfish jerk that has jeopardised the family unit, done his ‘thinking with his little head’, and disrespected his wife and children. However, when the woman cheats, she’s portrayed as the victim of an insensitive and inattentive husband. “Poor thing, he ignores her. It is for her empowerment, to boost her ego. She deserves it after bearing and rearing his children.” It’s good for her self-esteem. Worse, her cheating is portrayed as the man’s fault. If he works long hours to provide for her and the children, he works too much. If he is tired at the end of the day from 13 hours of manual labour, then he doesn’t compliment her as much as she wants. Into this vacuum of conflicting expectations steps the first man who “makes me feel like a Real Woman again…”. You read that correctly; the man who is scrambling to pay the mortgage and car payments and is working double shifts to pay for the consumer goods she demanded to have is now considered a negligent and emotionally abusive husband. The man who may be working two jobs to allow her to be home with her kids is now considered a candidate for Domestic Violence.

    When a woman cheats, the first thing people ask is what he did, or more often, didn’t do, to drive her into the arms of another man.

    When a man cheats, no one ever asks the same question.


    When a woman cheats, the reaction will be; “Oh, poor thing, I guess her husband couldn’t get the job done in the bedroom”.


    When a man cheats, no one ever stops to think; “Oh poor fellow, his wife was horrible in bed.”


    Let’s not forget what happens if a man were to leave his wife for a younger woman. This will become fodder at the coffee shop for months. It is automatically assumed that he is a shallow sex maniac whose onlymotivation was to be with a younger woman. The possibility that his wife was of a generation of women who were taught to hate men and that younger women do not, that she was lazy, or a reckless spendthrift, or verbally or physically abusive, or grossly overweight, or an incompetent mother, are rarely considered and are often totally ignored. The myth is that the only reason a man leaves his wife is to be with a younger, more attractive woman. Never mind if she is a better match for him and a more supportive, nurturing mate.

    Pre-Nups
    If a man insists on a Pre-Nup, he is selfish and unromantic. However, when is the last time a woman who demanded a Pre-Nup was called “unromantic”? On the contrary, if a woman requests a Pre-Nup, she is being fiscally responsible, sensible and looking out for herself. (Note: If your fiancée refuses to sign a Pre-Nup, she has just shown her hand. Best to leave now.) Why is it that a woman can refuse a Pre-Nup, and it is accepted by society? In reality, the man should be outraged that she is after a legal contract, and not love.


    What is astounding is the hypocrisy of the usual reaction towards Pre-Nups. Women can conveniently assert that a man is unromantic if he suggests a Pre-Nup. After all, how can a man pollute true love with the signing of legal paperwork! However, what is a marriage licence? Nothing more than a legal contract entered into between the man, woman and local and state government authorities. A woman does not seem to balk at signing this legal paperwork, which entitles her to at least half the assets a man has accumulated as well as half of everything he earns in the future, and obligates him to support her in perpetuity in the event of a breakup. Why aren’t men allowed to note how unromantic this contract is? The distraction of bridal magazines, place setting selection, floral arrangements, wedding dresses, receptions, wedding showers, and honeymoons have clouded the legal reality of what men are getting themselves into. Marriage is as much an unromantic legal contract as a prenuptial agreement is.

    Initially, Pre-Nups were devised as a way to protect women. Nuptial agreements were popularised in the 19th century, mostly to protect heiresses from marrying men who were “out for their money”. Until the Married Women’s Property Act of 1848, under English Common Law, a woman’s property, upon marriage, was usually transferred to her husband.

    “Stupid, Irresponsible” Men

    Men are severely abused in our media, quite frankly. Just watch any TV commercial or sitcom and see how they portray men as idiots, dolts, or well intentioned, if bumbling, buffoons. If women were portrayed in commercials in the same fashion, “Women’s Organisations” would have a fit. If it weren’t for their wives in these shows and ads the men would be lost “animals”, unable to feed themselves or perform even the simplest of tasks. Other commercials make it appear that men act without thinking, only responding in an impulsive and irrational manner, and that the wife is the brains of the family. Even many women will agree that women often are the ones who act upon emotions and make judgments solely based up on emotional attachments and not logic or reason. Almost every “couples budgeting” article will portray the woman as the one who has to rein in the man’s childish spending, when in truth it is usually the woman who cannot control her expenditures.


    Job Loss

    If a husband loses his job and is having trouble finding work, the wife is completely and totally justified in threatening to leave him. However, can you imagine the reaction if a husband threatened to leave a wife who was in the exact same position? He would be vilified! If a man loses his job, the woman is justified in resenting the fact that the financial burden lies on her. He is no longer a ‘good provider’. When is a man allowed to resent this very same predicament? If a man is laid off and cares for the household and kids while the wife is working, he may be accused of not pulling his weight! Yet this is exactly the same situation that women demand more recognition for with each passing year! No matter what role the man plays, he loses!


    Traditional Roles

    It is perfectly acceptable for a woman to demand that a man make a certain salary, drive a certain car, live in a certain part of the city, have a certain job, have the ‘right’ manners, talk a certain way, walk a certain way, behave a certain way, have a degree from the ‘right’ University and dress in a stylish fashion, to be deemed “marriage material” and be able to provide her with the stability she feels she deserves. If a man demands his wife do the cooking and cleaning, he can now be labeled old fashioned and sexist. If he asks her to carry her weight financially, just as he does, he may be criticised as an inadequate provider. If a man insists that his wife honor the conjugal requirements of the marriage contract, he can and will be accused of sexual abuse, sexual assault or rape.


    To add insult to injury, some women have gotten so pampered that they not only quit their jobs the day they find out they are pregnant, but they then go out and hire as many
    nannies, cooks, gardeners and pool boys as their husband can afford. Many Western Wives stay at home and hire someone else to rear the kids and clean up, while they drink lattes and go shopping all day with other pampered “stay-at-home” mothers. Does it pay to work hard and get ahead anymore, if this is how your hard-earned money is squandered?


    The concept of the pampered wife is a relatively new one. Most of Western Civilisation was primarily an agricultural economy even up until the 1920′s and 1930’s. Western Wives contributed to the well being of the household by helping on the farm. A man needed a wife as an equal partner. It was not until the 1950′s that the first generation of Western Wives, first in The States and later in Europe, Australia and New Zealand, began to emerge as dead weight. Perhaps this coincides with the spiking of the divorce rate in The States, and later Europe and the other English Speaking Nations, and the rise of Feminism. Perhaps men have become tired of giving so much, while getting so little in exchange.


    Divorce

    43% of Western Marriages end in divorce, and 70% to 93% of these divorces are initiated by women.
    All men should consult a legal professional before marrying, and understand the implications of divorce, because the chances are 1-in-3 that they will participate in one whether they like it, want it, inititate it or not.

    Upon divorce, all assets accumulated during and prior to a marriage are subject to division. It has become, simply put. a licence to steal. Even if the woman has not worked in years, and has spent the intervening decade(s) shopping and lunching from 8am-3pm, she is entitled to half, or more, of everything the man worked for during the course of the marriage. Is this fair? How many people would ever agree to a job contract that stipulated that in the event of separation that one party would have to return 50% of the gross amount of everything in the pay packet? No one in his or her right mind would knowingly sign such an agreement. Yet Western Men unknowingly agree to the exact same insanity each time they sign their marriage contract!

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    The way the world is at the moment, marriage is a terrible business decision.

    Before getting married, men should definitely go see a lawyer and draw up an ironclad prenup. It might cost you a bit in the beginning, but could save you a bus load later on.

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    Pre-nup or no thank you. I have heard of women getting around the pre-nup though not sure if that is true.

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    Gentlemen,
    to simply put this in its proper perspective for a marriage to be truly successful both parties must be truly equal especially in the finance department,the problem is most of us will settle for one that has little or no wealth but usually in deep debt is the order of the day,for these ladies they will only start to consider a man that is at least double what her net worth is,the ones that have money don't worry about it and look for there equal more so emotionally and financially and if it still falls apart usually it ends up more fairly ......Let us learn from the ladies examples........Marry Well or Don't Marry at All.

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by harry Click here to enlarge
    Gentlemen,
    to simply put this in its proper perspective for a marriage to be truly successful both parties must be truly equal especially in the finance department,the problem is most of us will settle for one that has little or no wealth but usually in deep debt is the order of the day,for these ladies they will only start to consider a man that is at least double what her net worth is,the ones that have money don't worry about it and look for there equal more so emotionally and financially and if it still falls apart usually it ends up more fairly ......Let us learn from the ladies examples........Marry Well or Don't Marry at All.
    That's it. I'm bagging myself a rich broad.

    I should have grabbed some mega-millionaires daughter while in college.

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sticky Click here to enlarge
    That's it. I'm bagging myself a rich broad.

    I should have grabbed some mega-millionaires daughter while in college.
    This is not an easy task for us men.......patience is the key... grasshopper....patience and you shall be rewarded.

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by harry Click here to enlarge
    This is not an easy task for us men.......patience is the key... grasshopper....patience and you shall be rewarded.
    You are right but kind of funny how men need to sort of start thinking like a woman in an effort to not get a wife that will be a financial liability. So I need a woman who can handle her own stuff. That means, what, like 3 of them exist in Orange County? The rest of the women are busy showing off their fake boobs hoping to pin some poor hard working man down for the rest of his life.

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sticky Click here to enlarge
    The rest of the women are busy showing off their fake boobs
    I need to visit the US.

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Adrenacide Click here to enlarge
    I need to visit the US.
    Specifically Orange County.

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    Going through a divorce now and I would have to say that I had to deal with most of those issues presented in that link. What a great read. Great post Sticky.

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sticky Click here to enlarge
    Specifically Orange County.
    Is that an invitation? Click here to enlarge

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    That article is pretty much spot on I think.

    1st time you marry for love, second for money they say. I highly recommend marrying someone who is in a similar financial situation as yourself or better their family as well. It just has a better chance of working out if you are both accustomed to living the same way I think.

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Torgus Click here to enlarge
    That article is pretty much spot on I think.

    1st time you marry for love, second for money they say. I highly recommend marrying someone who is in a similar financial situation as yourself or better their family as well. It just has a better chance of working out if you are both accustomed to living the same way I think.

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    There really is no other formula....it is what it is.

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    It is kind of sad but unfortunately very true in all aspects of life, money is the staff of life, and at the same time the root of all evil and usually the main prime mover for whatever strife and conflict that may arise in all facets of life.

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    Good read Sticky.

    I am pretty blessed with my wife and partner as she has her own career and likes to work. However, the lack of any financial aptitude or planning (outside of remaining employed) has been a constant bone of contention. Our first few years together I spent way too much money pulling her ass out of useless debt. I passed up on several investment properties and even sold my beloved fishing boat bailing out $60,000 in education debt and a bunch of delinquent medical bills she managed to hide.

    Changing those ridiculous spending habits young women learn from their peers through their early 20's is a painful process. She couldn't figure out the magnitude of how these poor financial decisions impacted our life and relationship until we had kids. Even today she justifies some of the dumb crap she used to routinely buy.

    When she finally realized that she had a choice to either spoil herself rotten with skin products/retail crap/hair-dressers/Bi-monthly mani-pedis or provide epic experiences and adventures for the kids - but not both - it finally clicked and she had an epiphany.

    If I am objective about it, we likely would have ended up one of your statistics based on finances alone without this "epiphany." Motherhood turned her logic upside down.

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    My wife works full time as a manager, and I have a small business. I bring home a bit more and we both pool our money into the same account.

    It's worked well enough for 10+ years. It's funny though, we now earn way more than what we did when we first got married, but don't feel much better off. Neither of us are big savers, and we are both excellent at almost depleting the bank account every month Click here to enlarge
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    I didn't read that article but if there is one thing I have come to realize in my 29 years on this planet is that People "settle down" and Marry women they do not Love and sometimes are not attracted to in any way at all whether its for compromise, acceptance, social image, etc. In turn this decision quickly makes them miserable if they weren't already before they made the decision. This leads to a life long state of suppression brought upon them by no one else other than themselves for Marrying the wrong woman or getting Married at all. I go away on trips with softball and these guys cant wait to cheat on their wives who are home with their kids. WHY did you get married than? IF you like sleeping around DONT get married. Do you like giving away child support and money to a woman you dont give two $#@!s about? I simply do not get it.

    If you hate your wife its your fault 9 out of 10 times. Remember youre the guy who walked down the isle with someone who mooches off you for money, or fuks whomever she pleases, or acts like a $#@! everyday.

    From reading the title, if you Marry a woman you love and lust for while respecting her and receiving that back it could never be a bad move regardless of the situation. 2 compatible equally intelligent people working together in unison is always better than 1 of them alone.


    Moral of my story, Don't be stupid.

    And I completely am not talking about couples who are put through stress and make it through years or marriage but grow apart. But people who got married 2 years ago that "hate their wife" are morons.
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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Adrenacide Click here to enlarge
    Is that an invitation? Click here to enlarge
    Sure, come down in September.

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Torgus Click here to enlarge
    Marrying into a rich family is not a bad idea at all Click here to enlarge
    Ok well that's settled.

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    It's sad that we live in a world where money triumphs over true love :/.
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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by MisterEm Click here to enlarge
    Good read Sticky.

    I am pretty blessed with my wife and partner as she has her own career and likes to work. However, the lack of any financial aptitude or planning (outside of remaining employed) has been a constant bone of contention. Our first few years together I spent way too much money pulling her ass out of useless debt. I passed up on several investment properties and even sold my beloved fishing boat bailing out $60,000 in education debt and a bunch of delinquent medical bills she managed to hide.

    Changing those ridiculous spending habits young women learn from their peers through their early 20's is a painful process. She couldn't figure out the magnitude of how these poor financial decisions impacted our life and relationship until we had kids. Even today she justifies some of the dumb crap she used to routinely buy.

    When she finally realized that she had a choice to either spoil herself rotten with skin products/retail crap/hair-dressers/Bi-monthly mani-pedis or provide epic experiences and adventures for the kids - but not both - it finally clicked and she had an epiphany.

    If I am objective about it, we likely would have ended up one of your statistics based on finances alone without this "epiphany." Motherhood turned her logic upside down.
    There's a few of you guys here who's wives I've met as well as those who have talked about their wives or told me what they are like and truly they are great women with and the marriage is great. So I just want to make it clear not all women are terrible and not all marriages are terrible.

    It just seems that marriage can be a big liability and IF it goes sour the woman has all the power to clean you out.

    Why would she hide bills from you though that would eventually have to be dealt with? To not scare you off? That's a bit messed up. At least she figured it out though. Some women just rinse and repeat and until they get too old and no man is willing to put it with their crap any longer.

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by ChuckD05 Click here to enlarge
    If you hate your wife its your fault 9 out of 10 times. Remember youre the guy who walked down the isle with someone who mooches off you for money, or fuks whomever she pleases, or acts like a $#@! everyday.
    I won't say it is 9 out of 10. I'd say it's probably reversed. Women initiate all the divorces practically don't they? They call the shots with their body, the kids, your body, your money, your house, your things, etc.

    How do you know what she will be like after the marriage? Sex dries up, your bank account dries up, she's off to the next.

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Scorpion Click here to enlarge
    It's sad that we live in a world where money triumphs over true love :/.
    This despite all our bachelor/bachelorette reality shows, imagine that.

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sticky Click here to enlarge
    I won't say it is 9 out of 10. I'd say it's probably reversed. Women initiate all the divorces practically don't they? They call the shots with their body, the kids, your body, your money, your house, your things, etc.

    How do you know what she will be like after the marriage? Sex dries up, your bank account dries up, she's off to the next.
    My views are the same, but apparently I am being cynical and an $#@! at the same time.

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by RnmEvo9 Click here to enlarge
    My views are the same, but apparently I am being cynical and an $#@! at the same time.
    When you tell the truth you are being cynical I guess.

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