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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by TT C6 Click here to enlarge
    I live in a world where Renegade Hybrids retrofits a LS7 and a TR6070 into a Cayman S and builds the car the Porsche SHOULD be building.
    Great. So go buy one and quit whining that manufacturers don't build the car YOU want. Jesus, you sound like a such a cry baby broken record.

    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by TT C6 Click here to enlarge
    I actually build and race my own cars, instead of referencing what OTHER people are doing like some bench racing high school kid.
    I reference what other people are doing to prove you wrong. If mid engine layout was the best then it would win all the races, right ? WRONG, as referenced by the winners at Le Mans this year.
    Yeah I'm a bench racer, lol. I haven't been running race cars all my life, instructed at Skippy, ran a Grand Am team for 4 years or run SCCA Pro Series LOL. You got me pegged, I have no clue what I'm talking about...

    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by TT C6 Click here to enlarge
    As if the race cars you mentioned are even in the same class as the cars that we drive on the street and do track days with.
    Oh now you want to limit the discussion to street cars...LOL.

    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by TT C6 Click here to enlarge
    Like I said, keep flapping your jaws......
    Likewise...

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Itsbrokeagain Click here to enlarge
    Snap oversteer? Have you driven a 911 around a track? If you go heavy into a turn, the car will UNDERSTEER just like every other car out there. Biggest myth in the world and i have seen PCA instructors debunk this. An improperly set up car or an inexperienced driver is what gives a 911 its 'scary oversteer' traits, when in reality its quite composed and very easy to steer.

    Take it from someone who setup a GT3 to go 'slideways' coming into Turn One at Road Atlanta in the pouring rain.

    Oh and the AWD system in the turbos is phenomenal. You could try all you want but it sticks to the turns like glue.
    ANY car you take into a corner too hot will understeer. That wasn't my point. Yes, Porsche has dialed alot of that out of the car over the years, but the snap oversteer I referenced was referring to lifting mid turn and the inherent chassis disruption that occurs when doing that in a rear engined car. I've driven plenty of AWD Porsches on the track and while I agree that they handle very well in the corners, they are not immune from snap oversteer if you suddenly go off throttle while giving the car a lot of steering input.

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    That's way cool I'd prefer the GT3 motor obviously as it is more porsche character but that is still way cool. Would love to see if they could do it with a 981.

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by LZH Click here to enlarge
    ANY car you take into a corner too hot will understeer. That wasn't my point. Yes, Porsche has dialed alot of that out of the car over the years, but the snap oversteer I referenced was referring to lifting mid turn and the inherent chassis disruption that occurs when doing that in a rear engined car. I've driven plenty of AWD Porsches on the track and while I agree that they handle very well in the corners, they are not immune from snap oversteer if you suddenly go off throttle while giving the car a lot of steering input.
    I was actually siding with your point of view before, I should have been more specific lol

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by LZH Click here to enlarge
    Great. So go buy one and quit whining that manufacturers don't build the car YOU want. Jesus, you sound like a such a cry baby broken record.
    FAQ you.

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sticky Click here to enlarge
    That's way cool I'd prefer the GT3 motor obviously as it is more porsche character but that is still way cool. Would love to see if they could do it with a 981.
    LSx is the best engine family on the planet.
    I can't believe you would even mention a Porsche naturally aspirated engine in same discussion.
    Shaking my head.

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by TT C6 Click here to enlarge
    LSx is the best engine family on the planet.
    I can't believe you would even mention a Porsche naturally aspirated engine in same discussion.
    Shaking my head.
    Well first of all I disagree on the best engine family on the planet part (it's an ancient low sophistication design) and secondly mentioning a Porsche naturally aspirated engine as being right for a Porsche makes perfect sense to me. I'm shaking my head.

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Itsbrokeagain Click here to enlarge
    I was actually siding with your point of view before, I should have been more specific lol
    All good bud!

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by TT C6 Click here to enlarge
    FAQ you.
    Back at'cha tough guy.

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sticky Click here to enlarge
    Well first of all I disagree on the best engine family on the planet part (it's an ancient low sophistication design) and secondly mentioning a Porsche naturally aspirated engine as being right for a Porsche makes perfect sense to me. I'm shaking my head.
    Yeah, it's ridiculous to think a Porsche engine (lightweight, low center of gravity) should be used in a Porsche rather than an old, cheap antiquated heavy V8. Click here to enlarge
    Meanwhile, the LSx has never made the list below in ANY category.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Interna...ne_of_the_Year

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by LZH Click here to enlarge
    Yeah, it's ridiculous to think a Porsche engine (lightweight, low center of gravity) should be used in a Porsche rather than an old, cheap antiquated heavy V8. Click here to enlarge
    Meanwhile, the LSx has never made the list below in ANY category.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Interna...ne_of_the_Year
    It's not that much heavier it's just not as impressive to me as say the new GT3 motor. Cayman with a V8 or with the GT3 engine? Well, I choose GT3.

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sticky Click here to enlarge
    It's not that much heavier it's just not as impressive to me as say the new GT3 motor. Cayman with a V8 or with the GT3 engine? Well, I choose GT3.
    Sure, but it's WHERE the extra weight is. And since were playing "fantasyland cars" I'll take a Cayman with a gas turbine LOL.

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by LZH Click here to enlarge
    Yeah, it's ridiculous to think a Porsche engine (lightweight, low center of gravity) should be used in a Porsche rather than an old, cheap antiquated heavy V8. Click here to enlarge
    Meanwhile, the LSx has never made the list below in ANY category.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Interna...ne_of_the_Year
    Thank you for proving to everyone who read the above that you are a fraud and you know nothing about engines, let alone racing.

    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by LZH Click here to enlarge
    Yeah I'm a bench racer, lol. I haven't been running race cars all my life, instructed at Skippy, ran a Grand Am team for 4 years or run SCCA Pro Series LOL. You got me pegged, I have no clue what I'm talking about...
    If any of the above were true, you would at least have some respect for the LSx engines and what they have been doing at tracks all over the world.
    You do not race. You are not an instructor. You do not even do track days.
    You are simply a liar.

    Have a great life, sir.
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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by TT C6 Click here to enlarge
    Thank you for proving to everyone who read the above that you are a fraud and you know nothing about engines, let alone racing.
    Really? Would the LSx NOT be heavier than the GT3 motor in question ? Does the fact that the added weight being at the lowest point in the car not matter ?
    Once again, you make absurd generalized statements with no FACTS to back them up. I on the other hand back up what I say WITH FACTS and references.


    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by TT C6 Click here to enlarge
    If any of the above were true, you would at least have some respect for the LSx engines and what they have been doing at tracks all over the world.
    You do not race. You are not an instructor. You do not even do track days.
    You are simply a liar.

    Have a great life, sir.
    Again you show to everyone here what an idiot you are. When did I ever say I do not respect the LSx family ??? Please, show me. Fact is, I do respect the LSx platform but that doesn't mean it's the best motor in the world as you suggested. Unlike you, I do not make generalized statements without backing them up. You stated the following:

    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by TT C6 Click here to enlarge
    LSx is the best engine family on the planet.
    I, as well as others here, have disagreed with you. One of the the most prestigious accomplishments for an engine manufacturer is to be included on the International Engine of the Year list. This is an annual competition of engines judged by automobile journalists from around the world.
    Didn't you tell me recently that I should pick up a magazine more often and educate myself ? Well those same journalists that you referenced have NEVER ONCE nominated your cherished LSx family of motors in the competition since its inception in 1999.
    But hey, I guess because you say so we should all just believe you Click here to enlarge
    Another absurdly ignorant and generalized statement that you've made here:

    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by TT C6 Click here to enlarge
    Porsche who insists on keeping the engine located in the wrong place.
    My assertion is that there is no wrong place for a motor. And once again I back this assertion up with hard facts showing you that 911's have the most racing titles of any other manufacturer. And what do you do to rebut this ? You want to limit the conversation to street cars and tell me to go $#@! myself. Then you make up cars that don't exist to try and prove your point. I'm not sure if you are just an idiot or if you simply don't like being proven wrong. Either way, I think it's clear to anyone reading this who makes the most sense.

    And finally, I really don't care if you believe me or not. It makes no difference to me. There are plenty of people here who know my racing background and have participated with me at track days. But that makes no difference. You've stated that you have been building motors for 20+ years, and that's fine....I haven't called you a liar. I've simply commented on what you've said here and provided FACTS to back up what I say - unlike you who resorts to e thuggery veiled threats of violence when you are proven wrong. I'd suggest you continue working hard at building engines and racing for another 20 years because the past 20 haven't taught you $#@!.
    Take care.

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