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    Brabus Strokes the M157 to 5.9 liters

    Brabus just released it's latest creation, a W222 S63 AMG called "850 6.0 Biturbo iBusiness"

    The interesting feature is the increased displacement of the M157 engine to 5.9, using new internals.

    I know Brabus is not a cost-effective tuner, it's rather unpopular in USA, it's a brand mostly sold in Gulf Countries and Russia.

    But that's always interesting to see what can technically be done to the M157 engine.



    From the press release :

    "The new engine is based on the latest Mercedes 63 AMG eight-cylinder four-valve engine. For the increase in displacement to 5,912 cc the Brabus motor engineers brought their entire know-how amassed in the more than 35 years of the company’s history to bear. Numerous engine components had to be newly developed and the engine block, cylinders and cylinder heads had to be extensively re-machined in the company engine-building shop.
    Increasing the eight cylinder bores to 99 millimeters allows the use of special forged pistons with modified surface contours to achieve an even more efficient combustion. They are connected by billet piston rods to the precision-balanced billet crankshaft with a stroke of 96 mm.


    The two special Brabus turbochargers with larger compressor unit and modified exhaust manifolds are of course also a major factor in the enormous increase in power by 265 hp over the stock engine. Other performance-enhancing upgrades on the exhaust side are the metal catalysts with 75-millimeter-thick downpipes and the Brabus stainless-steel sport exhaust.

    The Brabus installations on the intake side are immediately apparent upon opening the hood: in addition to the fiery-red Brabus design accents on the engine, the Gold Heat Reflection sheathing for the intake and charge-air tubes right away catches the eye. This measure also contributes to the high-performance experience provided by this engine, as does the newly designed Brabus 850 intake manifold for the eight-cylinder four-valve engine. It includes a larger air filter box with enlarged intake cross section, which gets its air supply via a special air duct in the hood. Also part of the package is the carbon-fiber intake pipe with larger diameter, which was positioned behind the new fascia directly exposed to the relative wind."
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    5.5 to 5.9 right?

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Torgus Click here to enlarge
    5.5 to 5.9 right?
    Exactly.

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    Brabus increases the bore and stroke of the AMG M157 bi-turbo V8 to 5.9 liters for 850+ horsepower built motor and turbo upgraded M157

    It must be cool to be Brabus. Essentially, they get to do whatever they want with Mercedes vehicles and due to their close relationship can then charge whatever they want to have high-end modifications before everyone else. Case and point, a 5.9 liter M157 V8 with over 850 horsepower. Brabus uses larger forged pistons, new rods, and a new billet crankshaft to take displacement from the stock 5461.2 cc's to 5911.9 cc's.

    Brabus increase the bore from 98 mm to 99 mm so just 1 mm more with new forged pistons at the same compression ratio. The stroke increase is where most of the displacement comes from at 96 mm versus the stock 90.5. This is courtesy of new rods and a new forged billet crankshaft.

    On top of the internal engine changes the turbochargers are upgraded with new larger units and new manifolds. A conservative gain of 265 horsepower is stated and BenzBoost has no reason to doubt it. Yes, they also modify the transmission to cope with the increased power and torque. Brabus is likely capable of getting much more power out of this but you will pay handsomely for it. They even state the torque of over 1000 pound-feet is purposely kept down to protect the drivetrain.

    Eventually the rest of the aftermarket will catch up and surpass this but as of right now this is the only documented built motor M157 setup with upgraded turbos. The increased displacement is icing on the cake. Brabus is also likely capable of sticking this motor in whatever Mercedes chassis they can get it to fit into.

    Now for someone to somehow get a dynograph...

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    The new engine is based on the latest Mercedes 63 AMG eight-cylinder four-valve engine. For the increase in displacement to 5,912 cc (361 cu. in.) the BRABUS motor engineers brought their entire know-how amassed in the more than 35 years of the company's history to bear. Numerous engine components had to be newly developed and the engine block, cylinders and cylinder heads had to be extensively re-machined in the company engine-building shop.

    Increasing the eight cylinder bores to 99 millimeters (3.89 in.) allows the use of special forged pistons with modified surface contours to achieve an even more efficient combustion. They are connected by billet piston rods to the precision-balanced billet crankshaft with a stroke of 96 mm (3.77 in.).

    The two special BRABUS turbochargers with larger compressor unit and modified exhaust manifolds are of course also a major factor in the enormous increase in power by 195 kW / 265 hp (261 bhp) over the stock engine. Other performance-enhancing upgrades on the exhaust side are the metal catalysts with 75-millimeter-thick (2.95 in.) downpipes and the BRABUS stainless-steel sport exhaust whose pipe connectors have a diameter of 76 millimeters (3 in.).

    The BRABUS installations on the intake side are immediately apparent upon opening the hood: in addition to the fiery-red BRABUS design accents on the engine, the BRABUS Gold Heat Reflection sheathing for the intake and charge-air tubes right away catches the eye. This measure also contributes to the high-performance experience provided by this engine, as does the newly designed BRABUS 850 intake manifold for the eight-cylinder four-valve engine. It includes a larger air filter box with enlarged intake cross section, which gets its air supply via a special air duct in the hood. Also part of the package is the carbon-fiber intake pipe with larger diameter, which was positioned behind the new BRABUS fascia directly exposed to the relative wind.

    Special mapping for the engine management system programmed on the BRABUS high-tech engine test rigs and during road tests coordinate all high-performance components perfectly. This benefits not only the gigantic power yield, but also the outstanding throttle response and refinement of the engine across the entire rev range.

    The performance data of the BRABUS 850 6.0 Biturbo high-capacity engine are correspondingly impressive: the V8 produces its peak power of 625 kW / 850 hp (838 bhp) at a low 5,400 rpm U/min. The equally potent peak torque of 1,450 Nm (1,069 lb-ft) is limited in the car to 1,150 Nm (848 lb-ft) to protect the powertrain as a whole. It is available steadily on a plateau between 2,500 and 4,500 rpm. BRABUS exclusively uses high-performance lubricants from technology partner MOTUL. A BRABUS limited-slip differential with a locking rate of 40 percent is available as an option.

    In conjunction with the modified AMG SPEEDSHIFT MCT 7-speed sports transmission the BRABUS 850 "iBusiness" delivers a performance only attained by a very few full-blooded and significantly lighter sports cars. Sprinting from 0 – 100 km/h (62 mph) in 3.5 seconds is just as unrivalled in this class of vehicles as is the electronically limited top speed of 350 km/h (217 mph). The transmission either sorts the gears automatically or allows drivers to shift manually using the BRABUS aluminum shift paddles on the steering wheel.

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    That is probably not a cost effective modification. Brabus prices are good for Oil-heads. They will probably charge the price of a brand new C-class just for the displacement increase.

    Knowing the enormous power gains available with modified turbochargers and ECU tune, I really don't see any reason to build a stroked engine.

    The reason is probably more marketing then technically oriented. Building big engines is Brabus specialty.

    I may be wrong... Any thoughts ?
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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by dcmetro Click here to enlarge
    That is probably not a cost effective modification. Brabus prices are good for Oil-heads. They will probably charge the price of a brand new C-class just for the displacement increase.

    Knowing the enormous power gains available with modified turbochargers and ECU tune, I really don't see any reason to build a stroked engine.

    The reason is probably more marketing then technically oriented. Building big engines is Brabus specialty.

    I may be wrong... Any thoughts ?
    I would tend to agree, the same power figures can be obtained for 12 or 13 grand from Weistec and AMS with turbos and an ECU. But. I presume that when Brabus builds the engine, they build it with stronger internals, changed CR, and prep it for more boost. So, their engine plus a turbo upgrade would potentially be devastating. I would say 1000+ hp would be easily attainable with full bolt-ons and maybe even on pump gas. But, AMS and Weistec are working on built engines too and they will most certainly cost less than Brabus. But if I was obscenely rich...I'd buy one of these and finish it off Click here to enlarge

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    Sticky - god 1000 lbs-ft of torque... I have seen mere Weistec 800+ torque monsters literally rip tires off rims... how will the Brabus beast do applying that to the bitumen ?
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    This is clever Marketing. They know exactly that their customers will pay "nearly any price" just to have something special and different. The smaller Tuners will have difficulties to make quality displacement increase.

    In terms of Power we will see if it really has more power on the street than the other Tuners.

    I would say with all these changes there is more on the Table, if they really want to. I think they thought 850 HP is enough...Click here to enlarge

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    Thanks for posting.
    Impressive numbers.
    Hopefully the drivetrain improvements to handle the 1,000 hp/tq will be forthcoming.

    Not to be a nag, but it's "Case IN point". Click here to enlarge
    http://idioms.thefreedictionary.com/case+in+point

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by dcmetro Click here to enlarge
    That is probably not a cost effective modification. Brabus prices are good for Oil-heads. They will probably charge the price of a brand new C-class just for the displacement increase.

    Knowing the enormous power gains available with modified turbochargers and ECU tune, I really don't see any reason to build a stroked engine.

    The reason is probably more marketing then technically oriented. Building big engines is Brabus specialty.

    I may be wrong... Any thoughts ?
    I do not think you are wrong and mentioned this in the article.

    Yes, this will be stupid expensive. But... it gives a preview as to what the US tuners will be able to do for a fraction of the cost. They just won't be able to do it as fast as Brabus. The resources they have at their disposal are almost OEM.

    This goes to show you can gain a half liter on the M157 though.

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Group.america Click here to enlarge
    Sticky - god 1000 lbs-ft of torque... I have seen mere Weistec 800+ torque monsters literally rip tires off rims... how will the Brabus beast do applying that to the bitumen ?
    I never saw bitumen used before thanks for teaching me something new.

    My answer would be to do it with all wheel drive Click here to enlarge

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by 65AMG Click here to enlarge
    This is clever Marketing. They know exactly that their customers will pay "nearly any price" just to have something special and different. The smaller Tuners will have difficulties to make quality displacement increase.

    In terms of Power we will see if it really has more power on the street than the other Tuners.

    I would say with all these changes there is more on the Table, if they really want to. I think they thought 850 HP is enough...Click here to enlarge
    Brabus does not post dynos because they don't need because they are Brabus.

    But.. I think they can deliver whatever you want really you just have to pay.

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by TT C6 Click here to enlarge
    Thanks for posting.
    Impressive numbers.
    Hopefully the drivetrain improvements to handle the 1,000 hp/tq will be forthcoming.

    Not to be a nag, but it's "Case IN point". Click here to enlarge
    http://idioms.thefreedictionary.com/case+in+point
    Not nagging at all. Feel free to correct me any time I make an error I tend to write quickly and need to put out several articles to stay on top of things. I strive for perfection and will not make the same error twice.

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sticky Click here to enlarge
    I never saw bitumen used before thanks for teaching me something new.
    +1

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sticky Click here to enlarge
    Brabus does not post dynos because they don't need because they are Brabus.

    But.. I think they can deliver whatever you want really you just have to pay.
    There a dude from UAE on another big MB forum wich is a real Brabus customer. He bought many stuff from them, including a $400,000 Brabus BULLIT (C class + 730HP 6.3 V12)

    He was disappointed. He had his Bullit rebuild by GAD motors.

    I know why they don't post dynos...

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by dcmetro Click here to enlarge
    There a dude from UAE on another big MB forum wich is a real Brabus customer. He bought many stuff from them, including a $400,000 Brabus BULLIT (C class + 730HP 6.3 V12)

    He was disappointed. He had his Bullit rebuild by GAD motors.

    I know why they don't post dynos...
    What was he disappointed?

    Seriously, Brabus can deliver anything.

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    I know the Owner of the GAD-Brabus Bullit. He is a great guy. I would say he has a special hunger for Custom-Projects in several of his cars... Even more customized what Brabus will offer (Engine-wise).

    GAD-Motors did a phantastic job and good development on his Bullit, it has more than 900 HP (Crank) now. And this is with the old (600) Heads, which I think are different from the 65.

    When I am ready for my Big-Project on my car, we will see what GAD can do for the 65AMG-Engine. Click here to enlarge

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    I've never heard of GAD. I've heard of Brabus though.

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    GAD has a twin turbo m157 in a c black.
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    I will quit being rude if you quit being stupid.

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by ecampbell Click here to enlarge
    GAD has a twin turbo m157 in a c black.
    Impressive.

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    Yes, and also 4-Wheel Drive in the C63 BS. This is also a project of the Bullit-Customer...

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    Is this the one you're talking about?
    http://www.dpccars.com/gallery/index...-by-GAD-Motors

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    GAD Motors website: http://www.gad-motors.de/

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by nawlinstornado Click here to enlarge
    GAD Motors website: http://www.gad-motors.de/
    Took a quick peak and they say they offer an M156 supercharger. Interesting...

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    I peaked the website too, it was a little tough to understand a few things but I had never heard of them either. As for the advantages of displacement, it is the only way to eventually get power once you reach a certain level. Engines make a certain amaount of horsepower per cubic inch. Take for instance a high horsepower Supra when I used to race one that makes 9HP per inch which comes to about 1650HP. We couldnt make any more power than that. We were running methanol and 70 pounds of boost at the time to make that. the only way we could get an advantage was to increase the size of the engine from a 3.0 liter to a 3.4 liter. That same set up now made around 1850HP because of the increase in engine size without changing anything else.

    You will make more horsepower with a bigger engine and the calculations are pretty straight forward. I think that the major components that are holding us back right now is the lack of availability of injectors, pumps and some other hardware which will be overcome soon I am sure.

    I do not think that any tuner has made any strides yet when it comes to this platform, us included.

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