Thread: All wheel drive luxury super sedan shootout - 2014 Audi RS7 vs. Porsche Panamera Turbo vs. CLS63 AMG S
01-21-2014, 08:47 AM #1
All wheel drive luxury super sedan shootout - 2014 Audi RS7 vs. Porsche Panamera Turbo vs. CLS63 AMG S
Here is a hell of a comparison between some of the best all wheel drive twin turbo V8 powered cars on the planet. They also just happen to be luxury German sedans. The lucky fellows at MotorTrend get their hands on the 2014 Audi RS7, Porsche Panamera, and CLS63 AMG S. Unfortunately, the BMW F10 M5 was not invited to play along. MotorTrend tried for the M6 Gran Coupe but apparently there was not one available to them. A bit of a shame.
Oh well, what we have here is still epic. The only question PorscheBoost has is why the Panamera Turbo instead of the Turbo? The AMG S was chosen so it would only seem fair to bring the highest performance sedan each company has to offer. Well actually they did ask for the Turbo S but once again it was not available. Damn it! One day we will get our epic comparison with the best from BMW, Audi, Porsche, and Mercedes all playing along.
MotorTrend did a very good job in this comparison. They even took the cars to the track and did timed laps. The track they choose is the Streets of Willow which is a fairly tight course. Here are the laptimes from quickest to slowest:
Porsche Panamera - 1:22.68
Audi RS7 - 1:24.30
CLS63 AMG S - 1:24.71
Check this comment regarding the Porsche Panamera handling prowess:
'When we had the cars at Streets of Willow, we also had the Aston and the hyper-rare Jaguar XKRS-GT. While the hard-core Jag was marginally faster than Panamera Turbo (1:22.53 versus 1:22.68), the consensus was that the Porsche was the best car at the track. I repeat: The heaviest car of the group, the one with heated/cooled rear seats and powered sunshades, was more satisfying to whip around a road course than an RS product, an AMG, a V-12 Aston, and a blistered, Nürburgring-birthed Jag. That, my friends, is incredible enough.'
That is some serious praise. The Mercedes CLS63 AMG S on the other hand was said to be the most boring to drive of the bunch. While the Panamera despite being the heaviest (not by much, all three are above 4400 pounds) was said to feel the sportiest, the CLS63 was said to be underwhelming. The Audi RS7 was said to suffer from serious understeer. The same problem Audi's have suffered from for ages. Randy Pobst said the following about the Panamera on the track, "This is it! This is the best car here. Those other two aren't even in the same league!"
Additionally, the CLS63's transmission was picked as the worst of the bunch while the Panamera's was picked as the best. MotorTrend stated it felt like the Mercedes engine and transmission had never met. Ouch.
What about the straightline? The highest trap speed goes to the Mercedes at 122. The quickest ET goes to the RS7 at 11.6. The choice for the best car of the bunch? The Panamera Turbo.
The full numbers and comparison video are below. If only the BMW M6 Gran Coupe or even the M5 was included. Regardless, very well done comparison by MotorTrend.
Third Place: Mercedes-Benz CLS63 AMG
It sounds crazy, but the world's third-quickest sedan feels dull compared with the others. Tough crowd.
Second Place: Audi RS7
One of the greatest engines on sale today. One of the pushiest, most understeering chassis, too.
First Place: Porsche Panamera Turbo
The shift paddle travel is too long. Oh, who are we kidding? If you can afford it, you should buy it, because its one of the world's best cars.
2014 Audi RS7 2014 Mercedes-Benz CLS63 S AMG 2014 Porsche Panamera Turbo POWERTRAIN/CHASSIS DRIVETRAIN LAYOUT Front-engine, AWD Front-engine, AWD Front engine, AWD ENGINE TYPE Twin-turbo 90-deg V-8, aluminum block/heads Twin-turbo 90-deg V-8, aluminum block/heads Twin-turbo 90-deg V-8, aluminum block/heads VALVETRAIN DOHC, 4 valves/cyl DOHC, 4 valves/cyl DOHC, 4 valves/cyl DISPLACEMENT 243.7 cu in/3993 cc 333.3 cu in/5461 cc 293.3 cu in/4806 cc COMPRESSION RATIO 10.1:1 10.0:1 10.5:1 POWER (SAE NET) 560 hp @ 5700 rpm 577 hp @ 5500 rpm 520 hp @ 6000 rpm TORQUE (SAE NET) 516 lb-ft @ 1750 rpm 590 lb-ft @ 2000 rpm 516 lb-ft @ 2250 rpm* REDLINE 6600 rpm 6400 rpm 6500 rpm WEIGHT TO POWER 8.0 lb/hp 7.6 lb/hp 8.7 lb/hp TRANSMISSION 8-speed automatic 7-speed automatic 7-speed twin-cl auto AXLE/FINAL-DRIVE RATIO 3.08:1/2.05:1 2.65:1/1.93:1 3.15:1/1.86:1 SUSPENSION, FRONT; REAR Multi-link, air springs, adj shocks, anti-roll bar; multilink, air springs, adj shocks, anti-roll bar Multilink, coil springs, adj shocks, anti-roll bar; multilink, air springs, adj shocks, anti-roll bar Control arms, air springs, adj shocks, anti-roll bar; multilink, air springs, adj shocks, anti-roll bar STEERING RATIO 15.9:1 14.1:1 (near center) 17.1-13.8:1 TURNS LOCK-TO-LOCK 2.8 2.5 2.5 BRAKES, F;R 15.4-in vented, drilled disc; 14.0-in vented, drilled disc, ABS 14.2-in vented, drilled disc; 14.2-in vented, drilled disc, ABS 15.4-in vented, drilled ceramic disc; 13.8-in vented, drilled ceramic disc, abs WHEELS 9.0 x 21-in, cast aluminum 9.0 x 19-in; 10.0 x 19-in, forged aluminum 9.5 x 20-in; 11.5 x 20-in, cast aluminum TIRES 275/30R21 98Y
Pirelli P Zero
255/35R19 96Y; 285/30R19 98Y
Continental ContiSportContact 5P
255/40R20 101Y; 295/35R20 105Y
Michelin Pilot Super Sport
DIMENSIONS WHEELBASE 114.8 in 113.2 in 115.0 in TRACK, F/R 64.3/64.0 in 63.3/64.1 in 65.2/65.2 in L x W x H 197.3 x 75.2 x 55.8 in 196.7 x 74.1 x 55.4 in 197.4 x 76.0 x 55.4 in TURNING CIRCLE 39.0 ft 38.5 ft 39.3 ft CURB WEIGHT 4493 lb 4402 lb 4510 lb WEIGHT DIST, F/R 56/44% 55/45% 53/47% SEATING CAPACITY 4 4 4 HEADROOM, F/R 36.9/36.6 in 36.9/36.1 in 38.0/38.2 in LEGROOM, F/R 41.3/37.0 in 42.1/35.0 in 41.9/33.3 in SHOULDER ROOM, F/R 57.2/55.9 in 57.1/56.5 in 51.9/51.7 in CARGO VOLUME 24.5 cu ft 15.3 cu ft 15.3 cu ft TEST DATA ACCELERATION TO MPH 0-30 1.3 sec 1.4 sec 1.2 sec 0-40 1.8 2.1 1.7 0-50 2.5 2.7 2.5 0-60 3.2 3.4 3.4 0-70 4.2 4.4 4.5 0-80 5.3 5.4 5.6 0-90 6.5 6.5 7.1 0-100 8.0 8.0 8.8 PASSING, 45-65 MPH 1.7 1.6 1.8 QUARTER MILE 11.6 sec @ 120.4 mph 11.7 sec @ 122.7 mph 11.8 sec @ 116.4 mph BRAKING, 60-0 MPH 101 ft 106 ft 104 ft LATERAL ACCELERATION 0.95 g (avg) 0.97 g (avg) 1.03 g (avg) MT FIGURE EIGHT 24.2 sec @ 0.83 g (avg) 23.9 sec @ 0.85 g (avg) 23.7 sec @ 0.87 g (avg) 1.6-MI ROAD COURSE LAP 1:24.30 sec 1:24.71 sec 1:22.68 sec TOP-GEAR REVS @ 60 MPH 1900 rpm 1500 rpm 1400 rpm CONSUMER INFO BASE PRICE $105,795 $107,425 $142,275 PRICE AS TESTED $125,595 $116,985 $195,510 STABILITY/TRACTION CONTROL Yes/yes Yes/yes Yes/yes AIRBAGS Dual front, front side, f/r curtain, front knee Dual front, front side, f/r curtain, front knee Dual front, f/r side, f/r curtain, front knee BASIC WARRANTY 4 yrs/50,000 mi 4 yrs/50,000 mi 4 yrs/50,000 mi POWERTRAIN WARRANTY 4 yrs/50,000 mi 4 yrs/50,000 mi 4 yrs/50,000 mi ROADSIDE ASSISTANCE 4 yrs/unlimited Unlimited 4 yrs/50,000 mi FUEL CAPACITY 19.8 gal 21.1 gal 26.4 gal EPA CITY/HWY ECON 16/27 mpg 16/22 mpg 15/24 mpg ENERGY CONS, CITY/HWY 211/125 kW-hrs/100 mi 211/153 kW-hrs/100 mi 225/140 kW-hrs/100 mi CO2 EMISSIONS 0.99 lb/mi 1.06 lb/mi 1.08 lb/mi RECOMMENDED FUEL Unleaded premium Unleaded premium Unleaded premium
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The RS7 and panamera, both amazing cars!!!! but wheres the cls 63?. If they could have added the m6 gran coupe aswell to that comparison it would have been great.
02-01-2014, 11:29 AM #3