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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by 63Master Click here to enlarge
    Again, 138mph for a supercharged SLS that is claimed to be making 725whp is a low rap speed. It should be making more. It should be hitting in the 142-144mph range
    No it shouldn't. This is so far off base it's absurd.

    I just posted a Corvette that is lighter than the SLS which requires 890 WHEEL HORSEPOWER to go 144.

    144 is a Veyron trap speed, ok?

    This is simply ridiculous math and not based on any real world experience or examples. If you think you can run 144 with 725 whp in an SLS go do it.

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by ecampbell Click here to enlarge
    Joe, I thought you stated you were not going to let this thread go off topic.
    The topic concerns Weistec and a Black Series they modified so I don't see the problem. Especially considering it was their customer that posted the information in this thread thereby creating a new topic. Take it up with him if you like. I'm enjoying the discussion and others seem to be as well.

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    Other than you, who said there is a problem?
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    I will quit being rude if you quit being stupid.

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by ecampbell Click here to enlarge
    Other than you, who said there is a problem?
    You!

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by ecampbell Click here to enlarge
    Other than you, who said there is a problem?
    I don't see one. If you happened to have one you could take it up with him.

    Once the slip is posted we'll create a new thread on that discussion.

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sticky Click here to enlarge
    No it shouldn't. This is so far off base it's absurd.

    I just posted a Corvette that is lighter than the SLS which requires 890 WHEEL HORSEPOWER to go 144.

    144 is a Veyron trap speed, ok?

    This is simply ridiculous math and not based on any real world experience or examples. If you think you can run 144 with 725 whp in an SLS go do it.
    Don't compare a C7 $#@!ty drivetrain with a superior SLS drivetrain.

    A Bugatti Veryon is much heavier than an SLS BS

    wrong comparison bro

    Do you also think if an MP4 is making 725whp , will not be able to trap 144?

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by 63Master Click here to enlarge
    Don't compare a C7 $#@!ty drivetrain with a superior SLS drivetrain.
    Uh the C7 has 49/51 weight balance and is lighter. Corvettes put up very efficient drag strip numbers. The less powerful C6 Z06 is faster than the SLS, where is your superiority now?

    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by 63Master Click here to enlarge
    A Bugatti Veryon is much heavier than an SLS BS

    wrong comparison bro
    And it takes it how much HP to run 144? What 700 whp cars are running 144 trap speeds and on what planet? To go 144 with 725 hp the car would have to weigh 2900 pounds.

    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by 63Master Click here to enlarge
    Do you also think if an MP4 is making 725whp , will not be able to trap 144?
    The MP4-12C makes very efficient use of its power as it is light, mid-engine, aerodynamic, and a dual clutch. It's more efficient than the SLS. The SLS is not more efficient than the MP4-12C.

    The SLS AMG will not run 144 traps with 725 whp. It just can not happen simply due to physics. 144 is insanely fast.

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sticky Click here to enlarge
    The less powerful C6 Z06 is faster than the SLS, where is your superiority now?



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    AHAHAHAH. Excuse me , WHAT?
    @SLS AMG , where are you man?

    both him and I have beaten header\cam\tune Z06's with our header\tunes SLS's on the streets in Qatar.
    @SLS AMG participated in the Qatar Mile event and trapped higher speed in 800meters than cam/header/tuned Z06's.

    really, you have no idea

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by 63Master Click here to enlarge
    AHAHAHAH. Excuse me , WHAT?
    @SLS AMG , where are you man?

    both him and I have beaten header\cam\tune Z06's with our header\tunes SLS's on the streets in Qatar.
    @SLS AMG participated in the Qatar Mile event and trapped higher speed in 800meters than cam/header/tuned Z06's.

    really, you have no idea
    Look there isn't a need to turn this into a Z06 versus SLS discussion. The point is ultimately that the C7, which is a very efficient platform, went 144 with 890 whp.

    The SLS AMG is going to need as much if not more. You might as well ask how much HP the M156 motors needed in the CLK Black Series to go 144. They never really officially disclosed the power but it's more than 725 whp man. It's more than 800 whp.

    Sorry, I just don't see quality performance analysis from you especially regarding trap speeds. If you think you can run 144 in a SLS with 725 whp why aren't you running a blower and doing it? Why isn't anyone?

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by 63Master Click here to enlarge
    Don't compare a C7 $#@!ty drivetrain with a superior SLS drivetrain.

    A Bugatti Veryon is much heavier than an SLS BS

    wrong comparison bro

    Do you also think if an MP4 is making 725whp , will not be able to trap 144?
    The new C7 Z06 is going to be the baddest car on earth, better watch what you call $#@!ty. It will have the fastest shifting transmission of any production car ever built, it will embarass a stock SLS BS, GTR and MP4
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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by JRCART Click here to enlarge
    The new C7 Z06 is going to be the baddest car on earth, better watch what you call $#@!ty. It will have the fastest shifting transmission of any production car ever built, it will embarass a stock SLS BS, GTR and MP4
    I wasn't talkin about the Z06. You need to calm down man.
    I don't think the new Z06 is goin to have a better drivetrain than the SLS. I owned two Z06's in the past, the tranny on em was grbage, but that's not the topic here

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sticky Click here to enlarge
    Look there isn't a need to turn this into a Z06 versus SLS discussion. The point is ultimately that the C7, which is a very efficient platform, went 144 with 890 whp.

    The SLS AMG is going to need as much if not more. You might as well ask how much HP the M156 motors needed in the CLK Black Series to go 144. They never really officially disclosed the power but it's more than 725 whp man. It's more than 800 whp.

    Sorry, I just don't see quality performance analysis from you especially regarding trap speeds. If you think you can run 144 in a SLS with 725 whp why aren't you running a blower and doing it? Why isn't anyone?
    Again with your outrageous comparisons. The CLK is heavier than the SLS, again, you cannot compare
    @JRCARTs, CLK was indeed making 1000whp. for a 4000 lbs car to trap 153mph, that was right on the money. I never argued that point. His CLK is making what he would expect

    but the 3400-3500lbs SLS BS wih a DCT and 725whp trapping 138mph? I gotta say that's not what it should be trapping considering a bolt-on standard NA SLS with nearly 200whp less and packing extra weight was trapping 131mph,which 7mph less.

    Sorry, I don't see it being impressive

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by 63Master Click here to enlarge
    You!
    Where did I say there was a problem? This thread was good until you started to doubt cart's power claims...yet you won't out your money where your mouth is and continue to bench race.
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    I will quit being rude if you quit being stupid.

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by 63Master Click here to enlarge
    Again with your outrageous comparisons. The CLK is heavier than the SLS, again, you cannot compare
    @JRCARTs, CLK was indeed making 1000whp. for a 4000 lbs car to trap 153mph, that was right on the money. I never argued that point. His CLK is making what he would expect

    but the 3400-3500lbs SLS BS wih a DCT and 725whp trapping 138mph? I gotta say that's not what it should be trapping considering a bolt-on standard NA SLS with nearly 200whp less and packing extra weight was trapping 131mph,which 7mph less.

    Sorry, I don't see it being impressive
    These aren't outrageous comparisons they are providing context. You dismiss every other car. You think yours is magical somehow or that the rules of physics don't apply to it.

    Bottom line: No SLS has run 144. No 725 whp SLS has run 144. You're guessing badly and have nothing to support your position.

    If it's not impressive to you I don't know what to tell you other than to get out to a drag strip and see how many cars are running 138 and see how many of them are Benzes.

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by 63Master Click here to enlarge
    I wasn't talkin about the Z06. You need to calm down man.
    I don't think the new Z06 is goin to have a better drivetrain than the SLS. I owned two Z06's in the past, the tranny on em was grbage, but that's not the topic here
    Read up on it then (among other things) because the 8L90 transmission is incredible.

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    According to one magazine quoting the chief trans engineer ,the new 8 speed on the upcoming ZO6 will be faster shifting than the PDK on Porsche,that was their benchmark.

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by cturbos Click here to enlarge
    According to one magazine quoting the chief trans engineer ,the new 8 speed on the upcoming ZO6 will be faster shifting than the PDK on Porsche,that was their benchmark.
    Exactly.

    I just think there's no point trying to reason here as it highlights a significant lack of experience. Anyone who knows trap speeds knows how ridiculous it is to expect to hit 144 with 725 whp especially in an SLS.

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by cturbos Click here to enlarge
    According to one magazine quoting the chief trans engineer ,the new 8 speed on the upcoming ZO6 will be faster shifting than the PDK on Porsche,that was their benchmark.
    I'll write an article on this for tomorrow btw.

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    Funny thing is that I never said anything about the new C7 Z06 lol. Yet somehow the topic drifted towards it

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by ecampbell Click here to enlarge
    Where did I say there was a problem? This thread was good until you started to doubt cart's power claims...yet you won't out your money where your mouth is and continue to bench race.
    It's a public forum. I'll discuss what I feel freely. Looks like I'm doing good. You got problems? Stay out of it

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    The LP640 was fast as hell at the time it came out. Still remember that. Despite how crude they are compared to everything else that's available now, they are some of my favorite cars ever. The last all-Italian Lamborghini. I want one with a manual someday. And some turbos maybe. Just the definition of obscenity on wheels.

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sticky Click here to enlarge
    Exactly.

    I just think there's no point trying to reason here as it highlights a significant lack of experience. Anyone who knows trap speeds knows how ridiculous it is to expect to hit 144 with 725 whp especially in an SLS.
    Its ridiculous that you cant seem to see it bro

    a 3500lb car with a fast shiftimng DCT and 725whp will get you above 140. Go try out some quarter mile calculaters. Its isnt magic

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sticky Click here to enlarge
    These aren't outrageous comparisons they are providing context. You dismiss every other car. You think yours is magical somehow or that the rules of physics don't apply to it..
    I never talked about my car man. My car is slower than other SLS,s. I'm sitting on an MEC design Kit and 21inch ADV's. You have not seen my car?


    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sticky Click here to enlarge
    Bottom line: No SLS has run 144. No 725 whp SLS has run 144. You're guessing badly and have nothing to support your position. ..
    Thats because nobody takes thier SLS's to track. I'm not guessing. Its simply physics. When a bolt-on standard SLS traps 130.7mph, and SLS BS that revs 1000rpm higher with arguably 200whp more should be trapping above 140mph. Sorry you cant seem to understand that!

    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sticky Click here to enlarge
    If it's not impressive to you I don't know what to tell you other than to get out to a drag strip and see how many cars are running 138 and see how many of them are Benzes.
    Only time will tell my friend

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sticky Click here to enlarge
    see how many cars are running 138 and see how many of them are Benzes.
    Actually I did find one. Kieth's C63 with 200shot nitrous. It was making 690-700whp. look at the trap speed:
    http://www.dragtimes.com/Mercedes-Be...lip-21855.html

    139.77mph in a 700whp C63

    Now how is that a lighter SLS BS making more power trapping 138mph?

    I'd like to hear this one!Click here to enlarge

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    Dont even try and say Kieth's car had weight reduction mods. Yes it did, but overall not lighter than the SLS BS!

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by 63Master Click here to enlarge
    Actually I did find one. Kieth's C63 with 200shot nitrous. It was making 690-700whp. look at the trap speed:
    http://www.dragtimes.com/Mercedes-Be...lip-21855.html

    139.77mph in a 700whp C63

    Now how is that a lighter SLS BS making more power trapping 138mph?

    I'd like to hear this one!Click here to enlarge

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    Dont even try and say Kieth's car had weight reduction mods. Yes it did, but overall not lighter than the SLS BS!
    Bro, the naturally aspirated SLS you posted about is a beast no doubt. But you cannot reference that run with a supercharged Black Series run. In all honesty, 138mph is Super Fast for any AMG , and yes that is good enough for even 750whp.

    You were with me at the street race championship last weekend. You saw Ahmed's Dodge challenger 800rwhp gain only 4mph In trap speed from his previous 700rwhp set up. He did not even elapse a massive amount of time. Only 0.2 seconds. He was using the same exact tires and same exact wheels from his previous run. He showed us his dynosheets and what he did to his car. Right?

    138mph for a 725whp SLS is on par and even 750whp.

    Eissa went 133mph in his C63 with his stage3 supercharger. His car was putting down 630-650whp. Therefore, how much do you think a lighter SLS with slightly more power should be trapping?

    138 is perfect. Trust me man it's perfect @JRCART, since your engine was detuned and throttle was limited, I believe you should be able to trap 140. Throttle limiting sucks in a 400 meter drag race. I think you already know that.
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